Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

Ted Drake wrote: Sorry but on hover, IE6 will show "this is a dog" and other browsers will show "oh no it isn't" -Original Message- Just to confuse the issue, as well as clarify it, this example: WILL show the message 'this is a dog' when hovered in IE, even when the image

Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

Jason Ray wrote: The information in the alt attribute will only display when the image is not available - [snip] The information in the title attribute will display when the pointer hovers over the object or image. Just to confuse the issue, as well as clarify it, this example: WILL show

[WSG] Guestbook

Hi All, I've had a request to put a guestbook on a client's site. I've searched amomgst the maze of google refs, but there seems to be a lot of micky mouse things. I am after an accessible, (x)html valid (of course!) example. I feel sure that someone on the list will have done this, or at l

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

I think that it's basically your responsibility Ian, in that there are many sources of snippets available and if you use them you just validate the generated code and put right what is wrong in the php. Then, you check for best practice too . . . Bob Ian Chamberlain wrote: Fingers crossed

[WSG] [OT] users - IT literate?

I have doing a site for someone for a few years now. He recently requested a few minor changes whilst he was at my office, so I did them whilst he was present, and he approved. Today he wrote to me from his home: "The changes you made to my website are not showing at this end. Do I need to ac

[WSG] The Problem of adjacent links

I have run into a problem with having two adjacent links at the top of a page. The WAI validator complains: "10.5 Until user agents (including assistive technologies) render adjacent links distinctly, include non-link, printable characters (surrounded by spaces) between adjacent links. [Priori

Re: [WSG] valid video in (x)html?

James Jeffery wrote: A google search pulls up alot of results: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=embedding+youtube+valid+html&meta = Try those. Thanks James! (I don't know how I missed those!) Bob ***

[WSG] valid video in (x)html?

I have had a request from a client to include a video on a website. I know nothing about this, except for a simple embedding from youtube. Sadly, the page doesn't validate if I do that. Has anyone any experience of producing a standard (accessible?) video into a web page? I've googled, but n

Re: [WSG] div/span inside table cell problem

Will this not work for you: value class="discount">value value class="discount">value . . . etc . . ?? Bob hi, I have a table like this. Each table cell has two values which has put inside a span. I want this two values come horizontally... now its coming as two lines... how c

[WSG] linking multiple CSS files

Good day all, I prefer to use smaller CSS files than great long things (neater and easier to edit), so I have tried importing a file "combined.css" which consists of : /* CSS Document */ @import url(structure.css); @import url(typography.css); @import url(links.css); @import url(lists.css);

[WSG] USERS - was [Why is deprecated?]

Keryx Web wrote: Underlines on paper have no usability impact, since you cant click on it! Underlines on web pages have a usability impact, since people think they are clickable links. Just out of interest, I did a site map recently and all the links were red and underlined, at least on ho

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

dwain wrote: On 3/23/08, *Patrick H. Lauke* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: dwain wrote: > been reading zeldman's book on designing with standards. The latest version of NN4 came out in 1998. Zeldman's book came out in first edition in 2003, and at th

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

Michael MD wrote: when I look at the server logs here I still see almost as many IE6 users as IE7 users. (the server logs are from a public events/nightlife website which gets a pretty diverse range of people visiting it) The following stats (representing 15694 users of all kinds) are for a

Re: [WSG] Browser Text Resizing and the Ill Effects It May Cause

Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: Hi Jason, yes I do.. You can do the same thing with pictures it's really a cool effect, and helps maintain the ratio of the entire page pretty well.. I have a demo up (Currently using php to process the size of the image) if anyone wants to look: HTTP://www.ra

Re: [WSG] re: generate data

Breton Slivka wrote: Here, I used the phrase "in a sense" perhaps, to try to capture more meaning than it was capable of holding. There are, as you have pointed out two ways of "knowing" accessibility. You can know how to build your site such that it "should" be accessable according to the stand

Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents

Matt Fellows wrote: There is a nice article [1] that can show you how to automatically style links with little icons depending on the extension of the file it points to if you are interested. Cheers, Matt [1] - http://www.askthecssguy.com/2006/12/showing_hyperlink_cues_with_cs_1.html Hi M

[WSG] I found this interesting . . . [OT]

I hope you do too : http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=288 Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/jo

Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

about all this, it makes you as a designer get lots of practice in using the stricter syntax, ready for some day in the future when you will need it. Maybe :-) Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidel

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

Christian Snodgrass wrote: When I read that, I thought about creating a button that finds the site you were at before you came in here, and then keeps that the same throughout the site, so no matter how many pages you go to, you can get back out of all of those and back where you were before yo

Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

Steve Green wrote: I have a big problem with the term 'best practice', especially when it is used to effectively terminate a discussion. It implies that not only is there currently no better solution, but that there never will be. I believe that the most appropriate solution invariably depends o

RE: [WSG] Float-less layouts

Thierry and all, I am interested in the excellent and well thought out work you have done with lists here. Intriguing! However (and it's a serious question), in what way do you think that using lists is 'better' than using a simple 2 or 3 -celled table (+ a bit of CSS to style it, naturally)

Re: [WSG] SIte Maps?

Just to say: " Thanks for the responses." All interesting. Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Hel

Re: [WSG] SIte Maps?

behalf of Designer Sent: Sun 18/11/2007 10:12 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] SIte Maps? I have never done a site map/index. I have Googled, but the results seem complicated, at least for a newcomer to site maps. I want to provide a way for visitor to a site to get where they want

[WSG] SIte Maps?

I have never done a site map/index. I have Googled, but the results seem complicated, at least for a newcomer to site maps. I want to provide a way for visitor to a site to get where they want easily. Of course, the basic structure of the site is key, but when, e.g., there is a link to an obscu

Re: [WSG] Re: Alt text for purely aesthetic images

James Jeffery wrote: This is my view. If an image is for aesthetic purposes, it should be in with the CSS. If an image is to be used as part of the content, for example, the image of your wife, then it should be within tags. I would say that is common sense to be honest. If you turn of the CS

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: James Jeffery wrote: It does: http://www.matthew-boulton.ac.uk/ The site looks o.k, but as you can see the methods are wrong. Hah, it's been a while since I've seen the following It's on par with At least there's some attempt at CSS layout on that site, though..

Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links - and mail sender

Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: Good point, Patrick. I'll certainly consider offering a checkbox as a UI option for 'send me a copy of the contents of this form'. I'd certainly be interested if this could be done in php by assigning the user's mail address as a string, then posting to it. Anyone

Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links - and mail sender

Ray Leventhal wrote: Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > my approach is usually not to put the email address on there and instead provide a contact form, one major annoyance of contact forms for me: as a sender, i don't have a copy of the email in my email client's "sent items" folder. depending on th

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

Andrew Maben wrote: But as to the cost of compliant, accessible HTML, does anyone *not* find it quicker and easier (and hence cheaper) to write than tag soup? Andrew, lots of folk do find it harder. The fact is that the transition to standards and accessibility isn't 'easy' when you are lear

Re: [WSG] 5,000th member

Mike Brown wrote: Russ I just want to say, on behalf of all 5,000 members I'm sure, thanks to you and Peter for the list. It's been your vision and dedication that's kept it going and nourished, and what you've both done has been influential in ways I'm sure you don't realise. Well done! :) M

[WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

Hi all, What is the current wisdom about the syntax of alt tags? I believe that if I have a decorative image I am supposed to put a blank tag. But I've also been told that the tag should be alt=" ", NOT alt="", because with no spaces (or one) the screen reader will announce 'blank' whereas w

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

Hassan Schroeder wrote: Nick Gleitzman wrote: Language is what we have as our primary tool of communication. There are others, of course - Rothko's paintings speak volumes (even if the man himself lets them speak, choosing enigmatic reservation about their meaning) - but to presume that becau

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Designer wrote: http://www.nga.gov/feature/rothko/classic1.shtm. Using this arbitrary example, I still maintain that a site of images such as any of these will be of no more value to a blind user for having alt tags, other than to point out that 'there is a pi

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

Rahul Gonsalves wrote: On 31-Aug-07, at 11:08 PM, Designer wrote: Well Vlad, whether it fits your conception or not, there is such a thing as a site whose prime function is visual. The only 'information' in the site I mentioned is what something 'looks like'. If you can

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Designer wrote: By that term ["purely visual site"] I meant a site which has very little (if any) text. Thank you for the example but I don't understand what is purely visual about this site. If the alt text for images was written correctly,

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: I don't know what is a "purely visual site". Can you please provide an example? Regards, -Vlad Hi Vlad, By that term I meant a site which has very little (if any) text. See www.kernowimages.co.uk for a (not perfect :-) example. The content of the site is

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Creating content on the Web that is only accessible by one group of people is never appropriate. Sites like flickr have tools that let photo contributors upload photos in batches for convenience. As often happens, convenience for one group of people causes i

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

Steve Green wrote: The http://www.fosterandpartners.com is not a good example at all. I can see at a glance that it violates at least three WCAG Priority 2 checkpoints, and that's without even looking at the code. Some pages violate Priority 1 requirements too. That's a shame because I really ne

Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

http://www.habitat.co.uk/uk/main_uk.htm as a case where prestige/image is crucial to the business. However, if you want see an example where prestige is also crucial, but the designer has use compliant methods and passed 508 validation (at least) see:

Re: [WSG] Serving Different Content to Returning Visitors

Daniel Kendrick wrote: I am curious if there is a way to serve up different pages to returning visitors so its different than that of a first time visitor. If PHP is an option, you can produce a different 'effect' by having an array and randomly selecting the content. At it's simplest level

Re: [WSG] Using target="_blank"

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That has to be just about the nastiest version of all - I click a link and get a new window. Fine, not what I wanted, but there was that other link that looked interesting, I'll just go back to the first window and open a few more links before I read that page. Hey! Where

Re: [WSG] To target or not

Can we just step back a moment, and consider what we are doing. As I write this reply, I am typing the content of this mail IN A NEW WINDOW. When I send the mail, the window disappears and I'm left with a large window, with folders in a FRAME down the left. As I read the new mails, I move fr

[WSG] Re: Microformats was [ Is this a good use of dl ]

Thierry Koblentz wrote: [big snip] If you're willing to go with that many elements, why not using microformats? http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats (briefly) and I can't see the advantage

Re: [WSG] Best practice embedding a Quicktime/Flash video

Tom Livingston wrote: [snip] What I like about SWFObject, is the easy way to deliver basically *any* alternate content for a user without Flash. So a user choosing to not use Flash can still have a somewhat rich experience instead of just getting the "Download Flash" message. Just a thought.

Re: [WSG] Tackling tabular data + per row form input

C. Bergström wrote: I'd really like a clean and valid html way to display tabular data, . . . Hi Christopher, Surely, you've answered your own question here, in that one short line? The cleanest and most valid way to display tabular data (across browser land) is, er, to use a . . . tab

[Re: [WSG] resizing text via graphics/text?]

David Hucklesby wrote: http://www.marscovista.fsnet.co.uk/newtemplate/flashtext.htm Sweet. It falls back to an image if Flash is disabled, even in IE! 8-O Now if only it increased with font size in IE... Cordially, David -- Don't forget though, in IE6 and below, it does change size alon

[WSG] resizing text via graphics/text?

Good Morning/afternoon/evening, Further to recent discussions on text size, and in particular, using graphics sized in ems so that they resize, I've pondered the use of graphical text when wanting to use an uncommon font. So, I put a heading into a simple graphic (using the required text), b

Re: [WSG] layout/font site test - please

Felix Miata wrote: All that said, the way I judge the readability of any page is by the size of the bulk of its content and main navigation, not by a couple of minimal importance non-primary-content lines it contains. By that standard, Bob's is a substantial distance from comfortable to read,

Re: [WSG] layout/font site test - please

Nick Fitzsimons wrote: This is a common misconception. IE7 _cannot_ resize text whose size is specified in pixels, in precisely the same way that IE6 can't. The use of the page zoom tool will enlarge or shrink it along with the other content of the page, but using the menu options to adjust t

Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?

Nick Gleitzman wrote: Barney Carroll wrote: ...a deceased squirrel foetus Wow. What an image. N ___ I wondered if you kept one on hand, in your office, for purposes of validation? -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk **

Re: [WSG] layout/font site test - please

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Designer wrote: ... the html>body is ignored by all except IE6 I hope this is a typo. IE 6 ignores this (and NN4 in case you worry) as it doesn't understand the '>' selector. All other browsers, including IE

Re: [WSG] layout/font site test - please

Philip Kiff wrote: As Felix points out, your current template breaks IE's built-in font resizer (View -> Text Size -> Larger/Largest). This problem is caused by your definition of the default body text size as 14px. The use of “px” measurements for font sizes is not scalable under Microsoft In

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Novitski Fortunately we can aim stylesheets specifically at handheld devices, Sure we can aim, but I think anyone who has spent half an hour or more looking into this will

Re: [WSG] layout/font site test - please

, Designer wrote: I think I'm too tired. I simply can't get the thing to repeat on enlargement. I've put it in a div and put it as the background there, but it still won't go vertical as well. I'm Confused! It's 123 by 236px in size. Maybe it's too high for this.

Re: [WSG] layout/font site test - please

Paul Novitski wrote: At 6/2/2007 03:06 AM, Designer wrote: Sparked partly by the recent discussions on elasticity, I've been attempting to put together a 'template', based on em's and with a max-width. I've used an expression for max-width in IE <7 (pinched fro

[WSG] layout/font site test - please

Ladies and gentlemen, Sparked partly by the recent discussions on elasticity, I've been attempting to put together a 'template', based on em's and with a max-width. I've used an expression for max-width in IE <7 (pinched from Georg!). I've tested it in FF1.5, IE6 IE7, Opera 9, and Netscape 4.

Re: [WSG] Screen resolution issue

Lyn Patterson wrote: I'm guessing you are using a liquid layout yeah?? Its not so much the width that worries me- its the height. The page currently stops halfway down. She apparently has no problems with my personal site at her resolution so perhaps I will switch her layout to the same

[WSG] address semantics

Good day all. I want to put an address on a site, but I'm put off by the limitations of the tag. (but attracted to the semantic value). My first thought was something like: 4 somestreet Anytown Anycounty Anycountry AN1 ONE

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

bject: Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text On 26 May 2007, at 18:04:38, Designer wrote: Presumably, and would do the trick also? Using the "title" attribute means pointing-device-users would get a tooltip saying "introduction" obscuring the text if they happened to have t

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

Paul Novitski wrote: I think the problem with using to demarcate your introduction isn't that is presentational (it's not) but rather that it does nothing to express what's different semantically about an introduction. You may wish to present the introductory paragraph in a "stronger font"

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the primary issue you have here is the assertion that Images, however artistic they may be, qualify as 'data'. I cannot see that connection, and therefore cannot agree with the use of a table. Further, the 'relationship' between two images may change if they are

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Quoting Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: A significant number of photographers regard a 'collection of photographs' as being 'the work', and the way that work is shown (the relationship between one image and it's adjacent images, and indeed

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

John Faulds wrote: > As I said, I couldn't say for certain what the relationship might be, but my guess with the example given, as it's a photo gallery site, would be that the photographer/artist feels like the photos should be in a certain sequence, perhaps to facilitate the telling of a stor

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

Patrick Lauke wrote: Andrew Maben This may be heresy, but I think this might be a perfectly legitimate use of a (properly marked-up) table? Tables are for tabular data (where rows/columns have a very strictly determined relationship, and moving cells around changes the meaning of the data)

Re: [WSG] width of inline lists

Thierry Koblentz wrote: Before you use a table, check this link: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/make_an_html_list_look_like_a_table.asp Ignore the script solution and look at the CSS rules in there. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com Done that Thierry, thank you. Works fine! (Even

Re: [WSG] width of inline lists

Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, Try, div#menu li{ display : block; float: left; width : 250px; list-style-type : none; } On Sun, May 20, 2007 1:02 pm, Designer wrote: Has anyone got a (simple) workaround for the fact that I want to specify the width of each in an

[WSG] width of inline lists

Has anyone got a (simple) workaround for the fact that I want to specify the width of each in an inline list? (which is not allowed). I'm using the simple menu: div#menu { font : 13px Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align : left; color: #333; } div#menu li{

[WSG] border vs outline

On 18/05/07, Stephen Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I find this invaluable, http://www.webdevout.net/css-hacks The most valuable part (for me) was introducing me to 'outline' instead of border. I confess, I'd never come across it before. I've had a quick play and it does validate OK. The i

Re: [WSG] Windows Vista Style Buttons

Breton Slivka wrote: you can do it like this: http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/menus/demo.html But you should know that this UI pattern is a usability/accessability disaster, and usually a symptom of poor content organization. I would encourage better organization in order to avoid these alto

Re: [WSG] equal height columns]

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/sandbox/elc.html Correction: The "em to px" part of the calculation - needed for correct subtraction of that padding, can be extracted here... ...where I use it to simulate 'em-based min/

Re: [WSG] equal height columns]

P.S. Beware - you may find IE hanging Quintin Stoltz wrote: Instead of grid.offset.height, try grid.offsetHeight Thanks for pointing out my typo, but it still doesn't work! There's a page you can see at: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/sandbox/elc.html -- Bob www.

Re: [WSG] equal height columns

Quintin Stoltz wrote: Instead of grid.offset.height, try grid.offsetHeight -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Designer Sent: 16 April 2007 01:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] equal height columns Hi all, I need some

[WSG] equal height columns

trying again - this never arrived! Original Message Subject: equal height columns Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:42:04 +0100 From: Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Hi all, I need some javascript/DOM help in setting a CSS

[WSG] equal height columns

Hi all, I need some javascript/DOM help in setting a CSS height. I've got a div called grid and two columns inside that div (left and right). I have a standards version which works fine using display : table and display : table-cell, but for IE I want to put a conditional comment in which w

Re: [WSG] vertically aligning objects of unknown height

Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Hi guys, Is there any way to vertically align objects in CSS next to each other if the height of them is not set? This is what I am trying to achieve: http://www.prototype.net.au/boxes.html I want to create a box with an undefined amount of text inside

[WSG] Politics and pricing

Sorry this is OT, but I couldn't resist sharing this: On the (English) news last night it was announced that all members of the current government are to have their own websites. NO political rantings, but instead a page about themselves. One assumes that this will be a resume of sorts, plus

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Designer wrote: Aw, flip! I look forward to seeing what you come up with! :-) These two: #3: mode-independent conditional IE-expression for container sized in 'em'... <http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/test_07_3814.html> #4: mode-independent condition

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Designer wrote: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/sandbox/index_cc.html The window being too small to display the top of the page is not a problem using this approach, as there isn't any absolute positioning.. Yes, it is. Check again. You

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Use an IE conditional comment [1] to feed the expression to IE, and all shall be well - or, at least, validate :-) Cheers, Nick. Hi Nick, Georg, Done that - works fine. See http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/sandbox/index_cc.html to see the action. It all validates

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

David Hucklesby wrote: However, did you look at Georg's solution he sent Saturday? For IE, he uses JavaScript (or is it JScript?) in a Microsoft-only "expression" to position the DIV's top. It seems to solve your problem nicely, even in IE7,

Re: [WSG] Using headers symantically

Lee Powell wrote: Hi all, Last evening I was playing around with some conceptual work which included a vast number of headers, and it got me thinking into how best to use them, and indeed how the spec says to use them. The W3C spec states, that the range of headers goes from h1 through to h

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size (OT?)

David Hucklesby wrote: Use JavaScript to change the element's top-margin style directly, perhaps? Cordially, David -- How exactly would you do that? (I'm interested, and I'm learning :-) ) -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size (OT?)

Thanks to those who responded on this. What I've done is to make a file which uses the javascript to determine the space available in the browser window, viz: var height = 0; if( typeof( window.innerWidth ) ==

[WSG] centring and viewport size (OT?)

I'm sorry if this is OT [but hey - it's weekend :-) ] but I'm pretty useless at javascript, DOM and all that and I've really struggled finding the info I need. Most of the methods (non-tables) for centering a div vertically (and horizontally) suffer from the same problem: they use the div hei

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

Al Sparber wrote: From: "Designer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I may be late to the party with this, but I think what they're looking for would be: Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now Andrew Thanks Andrew - Simon put me on to this also, and it's EXACTLY what

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

Andrew Maben wrote: On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Designer wrote: So I repeat : 20 items for sale would have to be: Buy now, Buy it now, etc... I may be late to the party with this, but I think what they're looking for would be: Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now A

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility -solution!

Simon Moss wrote: In fact there is a let-out clause - http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#link-text - you *can* use the same text for different links, providing you use unique title text for each one... (still irritating - but as you say - there is a point there...) Simon Brilliant S

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

Al Sparber wrote: [snip] . . . No one is forcing you to not use "Buy Now" 20 times, on 20 different links. . . . Well Al, they are if I want to make an 'accessible' site which passes the WAI validation. No-one is 'forcing me' not to put font tags in the markup, or lay it out with tables, o

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

Al Sparber wrote: From: "Designer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks John! But . . . That's what I want : 2 different books, each in it's own headed list, both with a section on "what the critics say". Does this mean I can't have that? If so, that is r

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

John Faulds wrote: What the critics say What the critics say Same text - different destinations. Thanks John! But . . . That's what I want : 2 different books, each in it's own headed list, both with a section on "what the critics say". Does this mean I can't have that? If so, that is

[WSG] target and accessibility

I am confused by the WAI validator failing validation on a section of a page which has the following code: Introduction What the author says What the critics say

Re: [WSG] PopUp windows

Chris Williams wrote: This sounds like a perfect application for Ajax. Have the TOC on the left, the actual document on the right... opens as you click through the TOC? Just a thought... Or, maybe frames - (ducks for cover!) -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk **

Re: [WSG] PopUp windows

Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 7 Mar 2007, at 14:41:54, Michael Yeaney wrote: I find this argument interesting: One of the main purposes for "popping up" a window when nav leaves your site is to keep the site always visible - better known this as "marketing". By keeping a site always around, the

Re: [WSG] Talking about tabular data...

David Pietersen wrote: Sorry if this has already come up... but have you seen these? http://www.lenef.com/dotleader/ http://home.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/dot-leaders.html And another, One I did a while back : http://www.webscribe.fsnet.co.uk/menufiles/mk/mkchapters.html -- Bob

Re: [WSG] tabindex and accesskey

David Dorward wrote: I've never heard of it, and a quick Google doesn't help. Thanks David, that was what I thought the consensus was! In respect of the WAI I referred to, see: Cynthia at www.contentquality.com - it's the one which is used when you use the Firefox developer toolbar and s

[WSG] tabindex and accesskey

Sorry to go over old ground here, but I seem to remember that the general consensus of opinion on the above two was that it was best if they weren't used? However, if I try to validate using the WIA validator, my stuff validates, but the validator gives me two warnings: 9.4 Create a logical

Re: [WSG] playing with layouts, pt2

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Designer wrote: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/altgam/sbox/template.php My Safari 2.0.4 does support CSS tables, but it doesn't "signal" that it is capable of showing xhtml properly (which it is). Thus, it is served 4.01 Strict with "float CSS".

[WSG] playing with layouts, pt2

Dear colleagues, I have been (just) playing with layouts, based upon what we discussed recently, and just wanted to see if it was easy to have 2 layouts, based upon a) a proper standard and b) another for the likes of IE and others which don't support some CSS rules. I've been using the (now

Re: [WSG] tabindex

Thank you Gentlemen, I'll strip the bloomin' things out again then! The validator I was using (Patrick) is the one which appears in the FF web developer toolbar ('validate WIA) and it's items 9.4 and 9.5 which warn me that: [ /Rule: 9.4.1 - All Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, OBJECT, SELECT an

[WSG] tabindex

In an endeavor to 'be good', I've been putting tabindex on links just lately. Certainly the WAI validator gives me a warning if I don't. However, it looks to me as though 'modern' browsers tab through the links even without the tabindex (certainly Firefox, Opera and even IE6), so what's the g

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