Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Joseph Ortenzi
You can have standards compliant Flash instances (even though the content of the flash swf itself may possibly not be standards- compliant itself) without JavaScript. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ Is one source for this information. Joe On Jul 03, 2008, at 17:30, Joseph Tay

Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Joseph Ortenzi
No problem, what's your budget? ;-) Joe On Jul 03, 2008, at 17:20, Hassan Schroeder wrote: Fuji kusaka wrote: I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big problem when i have to validate the page. Can someone help me out? Hopefully:

Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Joseph Taylor
Many parts of the tag can make a validator upset - especially the portion. You're best bet is to add the flash using javascript via one of the popular scripts like swfobject, ufo etc... Joseph R. B. Taylor /Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /"Clea

Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Fuji kusaka wrote: I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big problem when i have to validate the page. Can someone help me out? Hopefully: -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive D

Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Samuel Santos
Hi Fuji, Take a look at http://www.swffix.org/. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Fuji kusaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big problem when i > have to validate the page. > > Can someone help me out? > -- > Fuji kusaka >

Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Matijs
Google is your friend: SWFObject2 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Fuji kusaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big problem when i > have to validate the page. > > Can someone help me out? > -- > Fuji kusaka > **

Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread David Dorward
On 3 Jul 2008, at 17:01, Fuji kusaka wrote: I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big problem when i have to validate the page. Can someone help me out? http://validator.w3.org/docs/help.html#faq-flash -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/

[WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Fuji kusaka
Hi everyone, I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big problem when i have to validate the page. Can someone help me out? -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsu

Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-06-19 Thread Fuji kusaka
at: http://javascript.about.com/library/blxhtml.htm > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tatham Oddie > > call:+61414275989, call:+61280113982, skype:tathamoddie, > msn:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tatham.oddie.com.au > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROT

Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-06-18 Thread Seona Bellamy
At a guess, I'd say that the problem is caused by having your javascript in the head of your document, which makes the validator try to parse it (and so find 's in the head, where no 's should be). Simplest solution would be to move your javascript into an external file and just link it into the h

RE: [WSG] Validation

2008-06-18 Thread Tatham Oddie
Thursday, 19 June 2008 4:30 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Validation Can someone help me out with this validation? this is a javascript for my menu which is inside my html page. Line 154, Column 39: document type does not allow element "li" here.

[WSG] Validation

2008-06-18 Thread Fuji kusaka
Can someone help me out with this validation? this is a javascript for my menu which is inside my html page. *Line 154, Column 39*: document type does not allow element "li" here. $back = $('*').appendTo ✉ The

Re: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-27 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:05 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote: > > I have an error where it says "document type does not allow element "OL" here" > The ol tag is within a I don't understand, is this not > allowed? > Pass. > I have an error where it says "end tag for element "P" which is not open." > The

Re: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-27 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:05 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote: > > I have an error where it says "document type does not allow element "OL" here" > The ol tag is within a I don't understand, is this not > allowed? > Pass. > I have an error where it says "end tag for element "P" which is not open." > The

RE: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Taco Fleur
Hi, No actually not using XHTML. It's STRICT 4.01 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 3:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Validation questions On Nov 26, 2007 10:

RE: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Taco Fleur
Hi, > This sounds like one of those 'its much easier if you show us the code' things :) Yes, its development, don't want Google to pick up on it. > Move the '' into the js too. It needs to be inline due to coding framework used, the following is the code: if ( myArray.length == 0 ) { m

RE: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Taco Fleur
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Validation questions Are you using a STRICT doctype? If so, tags can only contain block level elements. http://24ways.org/2005/transitional-vs-strict-markup This e-mail is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disclose or use the

Re: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Christian Montoya
On Nov 26, 2007 10:34 PM, Taco Fleur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an error where it says "end tag for element "P" which is not open." > The tag is actually within javascript, within the

Re: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Lea de Groot
Hey Taco! This sounds like one of those 'its much easier if you show us the code' things :) Write a stripped down version, if its Things You Must Not Show The Public ;) (And often stripping it down will give that marvellous illumination that fixes the problem :)) > I have an error where it say

RE: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Bryan GARNETT-LAW
Are you using a STRICT doctype? If so, tags can only contain block level elements. http://24ways.org/2005/transitional-vs-strict-markup This e-mail is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disclose or use the information contained within. If you have received it in

[WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Taco Fleur
Hello all, I have some validation issues presented to me by http://validator.w3.org and I'm hoping someone can shed a bit more light on them. I have an error where it says "document type does not allow element "OL" here" The ol tag is within a I don't understand, is this not allowed? I have an

Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Jon Gunderson
>Subject: Re: [WSG] Validation problem >To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > >Excellent. Thanks everyone... and why didn't I ask before! > >Kim Kruse wrote: > >> When I run this site http://mouseriders.dk/index.php through Cynthia >> validator (level 1,2,3) it fa

RE: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
> McIvor Lee > The phrasing of the Cynthia results page suggests that there > are alternative > methods to pass this particular checkpoint without using a > label, but I don't > know of one. Adding a title attribute to the form element (in this case, the SELECT) is one of these alternatives. P

Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Kim Kruse
Excellent. Thanks everyone... and why didn't I ask before! Kim Kruse wrote: When I run this site http://mouseriders.dk/index.php through Cynthia validator (level 1,2,3) it fails Priority 2 - forms 12.4.3 and I just can't figure out why. Could someone please explain it to me? Thanks a lot

Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Darren West
Opps, and associated the label with and id. For instance: Please choose Daz On 01/03/06, Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Kim, > > You need to associate a label * with your select element. For instance: > > > > > * Please choose > > > Vælg her > > Sort/Grøn >

Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Johannes Reiss
When I run this site http://mouseriders.dk/index.php through Cynthia validator (level 1,2,3) it fails Priority 2 - forms 12.4.3 and I just can't figure out why. Could someone please explain it to me? Thanks a lot sorry for my last Mail: must be something like: NN: http://webstandardsgrou

Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Johannes Reiss
Hi, When I run this site http://mouseriders.dk/index.php through Cynthia validator (level 1,2,3) it fails Priority 2 - forms 12.4.3 and I just can't figure out why. Could someone please explain it to me? Thanks a lot Vælg her...=> must be something like:for="xy">

Re:[WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread McIvor Lee
Hi Kim, If you use a label element with that particular SELECT field (the one named "select"), then that should solve it. The phrasing of the Cynthia results page suggests that there are alternative methods to pass this particular checkpoint without using a label, but I don't know of one. Hope t

Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Darren West
Hi Kim, You need to associate a label * with your select element. For instance: * Please choose Vælg her Sort/Grøn Hvid/Blå Sæt accesskeys Substituting 'Please choose' with something indicative of the select elements choices. Daz On

Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Ian Anderson
Kim Kruse wrote: When I run this site http://mouseriders.dk/index.php through Cynthia validator (level 1,2,3) it fails Priority 2 - forms 12.4.3 and I just can't figure out why. Could someone please explain it to me? Thanks a lot You don't have a label for the select menu on the left hand sid

[WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Kim Kruse
When I run this site http://mouseriders.dk/index.php through Cynthia validator (level 1,2,3) it fails Priority 2 - forms 12.4.3 and I just can't figure out why. Could someone please explain it to me? Thanks a lot -- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Kim Kruse - http://w

Re: [WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: You need to have a block level container inside your blockquote...can't just have pure content. So, for instance: here's the quote While that's true for XHTML, it's not the case for HTML. ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-25 Thread tee
Hi Patrick, thanks a lot. This totally makes sense. tee You need to have a block level container inside your blockquote...can't just have pure content. So, for instance: here's the quote A second thought. Can you point me to articles (non-w3c site) that explain the use of b

Re: [WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-25 Thread tee
Hi Patrick, thanks a lot. This totally makes sense. tee You need to have a block level container inside your blockquote...can't just have pure content. So, for instance: here's the quote -- ** The discussion list for http://webst

Re: [WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
tee wrote: Hi can someone help me to understand this: Is blockquote not allow here? html: ... ... ... ... ... ... You need to have a block level container inside your blockquote...can't just have pure content. So, for instance: here's the quote -- Patrick H. Lauke

[WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-25 Thread tee
Hi can someone help me to understand this: Is blockquote not allow here? error message read: You have used character data somewhere it is not permitted to appear. Mistakes that can cause this error include putting text directly in the body of the document without wrapping it in a containe

Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-06 Thread tee
> You misunderstood that a bit: It must be the direct contents of one of > the elements listed - no elements in between. > You currently have > > div > form > input > > But the input need to be contained in one of the listed elements - for > example like this: > > form > div > input > > It'

Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-05 Thread liorean
On 5/6/05, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But it is in the div > > Example: > > > > blah blah blah > > item name > item name > > You misunderstood that a bit: It must be the direct contents of one of the elements listed - no elements in between. You currently have

Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-05 Thread Roger Johansson
On 6 maj 2005, at 08.01, tee wrote: But it is in the div Example: You need a block level element _inside_ the form element: /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ S

Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-05 Thread tee
But it is in the div Example: blah blah blah item name item name tee > From: "Kwok Ting Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:49:43 +1000 > To: > Subject: RE: [WSG] Validation error ques

RE: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-05 Thread Kwok Ting Lee
has to be wrapped in a block level tag of some sort, e.g. , , etc. So you'd use: or or (very simplified) Kwok-Ting ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for s

Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-05 Thread liorean
On 5/6/05, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > document type does not allow element "input" here; missing one of "p", "h1", > "h2", "h3", "h4", "h5", "h6", "div", "pre", "address", "fieldset", "ins", > "del" start-tag > > I do not understand at all. Another way to say it: The element that wraps the

[WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-05 Thread tee
I started using XHTML Strict few months back, and this particular validation error keep coming back to me when working on form and my dirty trick to solve the error is switching that particular page to XHTML Transitional. It has work fine but I guess it's time for me to really look for an answer.

Re: [WSG] validation errors

2005-04-18 Thread Andrew Hawthorne
Hi Helen, In the link for the consumer's association change the ampersand to the html entity for ampersand (&) and try validation again. The validator is trying to identify a system identifier '&catId...' and because it hasn't been terminated with a semicolon, it generates all those other err

Re: [WSG] validation errors

2005-04-17 Thread John Horner
http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314&catId=100165 I'm getting these sorts of errors Line 298, column 70: cannot generate system identifier for general entity "catId" You need to replace the "&" character in the URL with "&". The short version of why this is a problem is "in HTML, &

Re: [WSG] validation errors

2005-04-17 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
This needs to be rewritten as: http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314&catId=100165 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have a page in the site I am working on (http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/sbi240/module3/agriculture.html) that won't validate because of an external link I have to the Aust

[WSG] validation errors

2005-04-17 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi I have a page in the site I am working on (http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/sbi240/module3/agriculture.html) that won't validate because of an external link I have to the Australian Consumers' Association - http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314&catId=100165 I'm getting these sorts

Re: [WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-11 Thread Jan Brasna
CSS doesn't have strict separation of versions. The validator should check only "well-formness" of it. That's certainly not what the W3 validator does. As I wrote... It *should*. However the current version doesn't do it and validates it against CSS 2.1 (AFAIK) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.al

Re: [WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-11 Thread John Horner
CSS doesn't have strict separation of versions. The validator should check only "well-formness" of it. That's certainly not what the W3 validator does. The example which prompted this is "display:inline-block". If I validate a file with that in it, I get this: Errors * Line: 8 Context : .myclass

Re: [WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-08 Thread Jan Brasna
That is a good point, there should be a DOCTYPE identifier for CSS, that would make it a lot easier to validate and everything. IMHO not, because CSS doesn't have strict separation of versions. The validator should check only "well-formness" of it. And then alternatively you could be asked what v

Re: [WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-07 Thread Ryan
That is a good point, there should be a DOCTYPE identifier for CSS, that would make it a lot easier to validate and everything. -- Ryan On 4/7/05 8:08 PM, "John Horner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was recently talking to someone who'd validated their CSS and got > an error for "display:inlin

[WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-07 Thread John Horner
I was recently talking to someone who'd validated their CSS and got an error for "display:inline-block". He was using the W3 validator, and it was telling him it was invalid, and it is of course, for CSS 1 and 2. If you used the advanced options and validated against the CSS 3 standard, it was

RE: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-03-02 Thread Chris W. Parker
Alan Trick on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:55 AM said: > This is kind of off topic but to you think that validation logos > should open in a new window, or not. Opening in a new window keeps > people from leaving the site, but popups are anoying and generally > frow

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-03-02 Thread Alan Trick
Budd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks? I think most people put validation logos on their sites for peers. This is often just vanity/showing off. However other web developers do click these logos and rep

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-28 Thread designer
- Original Message - From: "Andy Budd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks? > I think most people put validation logos on their sites for peers. This > is often just vanity/showing

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-28 Thread Andy Budd
I think most people put validation logos on their sites for peers. This is often just vanity/showing off. However other web developers do click these logos and report back if they find problems, so they can have their benefits. I know, I know, we should al make sure our pages validate when they

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Timberlake
I recommend creating your own version of the buttons that fits in with your layout, so it won't stick out as much. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:49:17 -, designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I think that basically we all agree in principle. However, to take a couple > of points: > > [

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-26 Thread designer
Hi all, I think that basically we all agree in principle. However, to take a couple of points: [1] Patrick's : >It's a bit like plastering a nice > big sticker on a new building saying "built with bob's special concrete > mix". As long as the site (or building) performs as it should, customers >

RE: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-26 Thread Mike Pepper
An old chestnut. Standards badging is largely irrelevant to the client as they have no knowledge of or likely interest in the delivery mechanisms and markup/coding involved in development of a web presence. Neither too has the general public. That's point 1: fair ignorance of development. Since C

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Kim Kruse wrote: I guess we all have a common interest in higher awareness about standards. But again, who are we targetting with these? Site visitors? Site owners? Our peer web developers? Maybe the "stickers" wont mean anything to all people but lets hope they'll ask what it is. That way th

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-25 Thread Kim Kruse
I'm not sure I agree when it comes to "you shouldn't plaster a site with "stickers" for valid xhtml/css/508 etc. I guess we all have a common interest in higher awareness about standards. Maybe the "stickers" wont mean anything to all people but lets hope they'll ask what it is. That way the "s

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-25 Thread Lea de Groot
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:41:24 -, designer wrote: > [1] Do folk regard the w3c validation logos in much the same way that other > industries regard the kitemark? Having never heard of a 'kitemark' I googled, and got this: http://www.bsi-global.com/Kitemark/index.xalter I assume the 'heart shape

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
designer wrote: [1] Do folk regard the w3c validation logos in much the same way that other industries regard the kitemark? I think an important thing to remember here is: who are these logos for? Sure, you get the peer recognition, but do consumers and end users *really* care about whether or n

[WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-25 Thread designer
- Original Message - From: "Alan Trick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos? > What you may want to do is insted of the displaying that logo, use the > smaller ones, like the ones at the bottom

Re: [WSG] Validation Error

2005-01-03 Thread JohnyB
W3C CSS Validator Results for http://ckimedia.com/ No error or warning found Congratulations! Valid CSS! This document validates as CSS! ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for h

Re: [WSG] Validation Error

2005-01-03 Thread Charles Martin
May want to give it another try.. I just did the validation through Firefox and it reported no errors. -- _ Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://websta

Re: [WSG] Validation Error[solved]

2005-01-03 Thread Chris Kennon
Ironically the problem was with a link to a web standards site. On Monday, January 3, 2005, at 08:21 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: Me Again: The W3c CSS validator is giving me strange results. All was well yesterday, but to today I'm instructed to validate the document, which returns valid XHTML,

[WSG] Validation Error

2005-01-03 Thread Chris Kennon
Me Again: The W3c CSS validator is giving me strange results. All was well yesterday, but to today I'm instructed to validate the document, which returns valid XHTML, but the CSS validator reports an error: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://ckimedia.com/ index.php CK _

Re: [WSG] Validation and Accessibility Reports out side of the W3C

2004-11-28 Thread Mark Harwood
We actualy got around it using Dreamweavers RegEx support in its Find and Replace On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:59 , Mordechai Peller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: >Mark Harwood wrote: > >>Now we have just run a SiteMore.com check on part of the development site and >>it >>has come back kicking and scre

Re: [WSG] Validation and Accessibility Reports out side of the W3C

2004-11-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Harwood wrote: Now we have just run a SiteMore.com check on part of the development site and it has come back kicking and screaming at us as we are using WIDTH and HEIGHT on 's and ALIGN on 's It shouldn't be that difficult to write a small program to go through the files and whenever it

[WSG] Validation and Accessibility Reports out side of the W3C

2004-11-18 Thread Mark Harwood
Im currently working on a project for a local council to make there site Accessible and Validate. Now as with most developers im working with W3C's HTML validate and WebXact from watchfire for Accessibility. Now the site is very large and as such a lot of the old content is still HTML 4.01 Trans,

[WSG] validation problems

2004-09-03 Thread Ted Drake
Hi everyone I'm having some trouble validating this page. We just put this most recent version online and I'm starting to do the nitty gritty work. Ignore the style sheets for now, this weekend is the big style-sheet-work-o-rama. http://v4.csatravelprotection.com There are several problems that

Re: [WSG] validation... and invalid markup

2004-01-27 Thread scott parsons
The valid code used in the Flash Satay examples is completely ok and the w3c recommended way to insert an object in a page, it's not a hack - it's good, valid code - read the HTML4 rec available at w3c. The hack is the embed tag - Gecko, Opera and KHTML all support perfectly well. The hack

Re: [WSG] validation... and invalid markup

2004-01-27 Thread Justin French
On Wednesday, January 28, 2004, at 12:09 PM, scott parsons wrote: Personally I don't understand this desire to validate when using invalid code. It is strange, I simply ask why, if they want valid code do they use invalid code? so that is my grump of the day... any comments? I agree 100%. Tri

Re: [WSG] validation... and invalid markup

2004-01-27 Thread James Ellis
Scott: scott parsons wrote: Standards... yay sure if you belong to this list you gotta support standards or else why bother? Well, not really. Belonging to a list doesn't mean you agree with everything on it. But lately I have seen lots of people trying to find ways to validate their co

Re: [WSG] validation... and invalid markup

2004-01-27 Thread scott parsons
Standards... yay sure if you belong to this list you gotta support standards or else why bother? But lately I have seen lots of people trying to find ways to validate their code when it isn't valid. For example Veine K Vikberg just posted to this list about a flash problem he was having... The b