[WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Fuji kusaka
Hi everyone,

I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big problem when i
have to validate the page.

Can someone help me out?
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Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread David Dorward

On 3 Jul 2008, at 17:01, Fuji kusaka wrote:
I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big problem  
when i have to validate the page.


Can someone help me out?


http://validator.w3.org/docs/help.html#faq-flash

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Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Matijs
Google is your friend: SWFObject2



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Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Samuel Santos
Hi Fuji,

Take a look at http://www.swffix.org/.


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Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Joseph Taylor
Many parts of the object tag can make a validator upset - especially 
the embed portion.  You're best bet is to add the flash using 
javascript via one of the popular scripts like swfobject, ufo etc...


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I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big problem 
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Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-07-03 Thread Joseph Ortenzi
You can have standards compliant Flash instances (even though the  
content of the flash swf itself may possibly not be standards- 
compliant itself) without JavaScript.


http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/

Is one source for this information.

Joe

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Many parts of the object tag can make a validator upset -  
especially the embed portion.  You're best bet is to add the flash  
using javascript via one of the popular scripts like swfobject, ufo  
etc...


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Fuji kusaka wrote:


Hi everyone,

I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big  
problem when i have to validate the page.


Can someone help me out?
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[WSG] Validation

2008-06-19 Thread Fuji kusaka
Can someone help me out with this validation?

this is a javascript for my menu which is inside my html page.


*Line 154, Column 39*: document type does not allow element li here.

$back = $('li class=back**div
class=left/div/li').appendTo

 ✉ http://validator.w3.org/feedback.html?uri=;errmsg_id=64#errormsg

The element named above was found in a context where it is not allowed. This
could mean that you have incorrectly nested elements -- such as a style
element in the body section instead of inside head -- or two elements
that overlap (which is not allowed).

One common cause for this error is the use of XHTML syntax in HTML
documents. Due to HTML's rules of implicitly closed elements, this error can
create cascading effects. For instance, using XHTML's self-closing tags
for meta and link in the head section of a HTML document may cause the
parser to infer the end of the head section and the beginning of the
body section (where link and meta are not allowed; hence the reported
error).

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Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-06-19 Thread Seona Bellamy
At a guess, I'd say that the problem is caused by having your
javascript in the head of your document, which makes the validator try
to parse it (and so find li's in the head, where no li's should
be).

Simplest solution would be to move your javascript into an external
file and just link it into the head instead.

Cheers,

Seona.

2008/6/19 Fuji kusaka [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Can someone help me out with this validation?

 this is a javascript for my menu which is inside my html page.


 Line 154, Column 39: document type does not allow element li here.

 $back = $('li class=backdiv
 class=left/div/li').appendTo

 ✉

 The element named above was found in a context where it is not allowed. This
 could mean that you have incorrectly nested elements -- such as a style
 element in the body section instead of inside head -- or two elements
 that overlap (which is not allowed).

 One common cause for this error is the use of XHTML syntax in HTML
 documents. Due to HTML's rules of implicitly closed elements, this error can
 create cascading effects. For instance, using XHTML's self-closing tags
 for meta and link in the head section of a HTML document may cause the
 parser to infer the end of the head section and the beginning of the
 body section (where link and meta are not allowed; hence the reported
 error).

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Re: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-27 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:05 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote:

 I have an error where it says document type does not allow element OL here
 The ol tag is within a formfieldset I don't understand, is this not 
 allowed?

Pass.

 I have an error where it says end tag for element P which is not open. 
 The p tag
 is actually within javascript, within the headscript I don't see how I 
 can fix this
 error.


Are you using the hide from Netscape 1 practice of enclosing embedded
JS within HTML comments? If so, you may have a decrement operator
-- that ends the comment, causing some agents to begin parsing your
JS as HTML.

Without seeing your code, though, this is just a guess. There are
several other possibilities. We need more information.

Cordially,
David
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Re: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-27 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:05 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote:

 I have an error where it says document type does not allow element OL here
 The ol tag is within a formfieldset I don't understand, is this not 
 allowed?

Pass.

 I have an error where it says end tag for element P which is not open. 
 The p tag
 is actually within javascript, within the headscript I don't see how I 
 can fix this
 error.


Are you using the hide from Netscape 1 practice of enclosing embedded
JS within HTML comments? If so, you may have a decrement operator
-- that ends the comment, causing some agents to begin parsing your
JS as HTML.

Without seeing your code, though, this is just a guess. There are
several other possibilities. We need more information.

Cordially,
David
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[WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Taco Fleur
Hello all,

I have some validation issues presented to me by http://validator.w3.org and
I'm hoping someone can shed a bit more light on them.

I have an error where it says document type does not allow element OL
here
The ol tag is within a formfieldset I don't understand, is this not
allowed?

I have an error where it says end tag for element P which is not open.
The p tag is actually within javascript, within the headscript
I don't see how I can fix this error.

Thanks in advance.



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RE: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Bryan GARNETT-LAW
Are you using a STRICT doctype?  If so, form tags can only contain
block level elements.

http://24ways.org/2005/transitional-vs-strict-markup



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Re: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Lea de Groot
Hey Taco!

This sounds like one of those 'its much easier if you show us the code' 
things :)
Write a stripped down version, if its Things You Must Not Show The 
Public ;)
(And often stripping it down will give that marvellous illumination 
that fixes the problem :))

 I have an error where it says document type does not allow element OL
 here
 The ol tag is within a formfieldset I don't understand, is this not
 allowed?

Could the OL be occurring within an inline element?
That would not validate.

 I have an error where it says end tag for element P which is not open.
 The p tag is actually within javascript, within the headscript
 I don't see how I can fix this error.

Move the '/p' into the js too.
Perhaps have 'openThingy' and 'closeThingy' functions?

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Re: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Christian Montoya
On Nov 26, 2007 10:34 PM, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have an error where it says end tag for element P which is not open.
 The p tag is actually within javascript, within the headscript
 I don't see how I can fix this error.


Clearly you are using XHTML.

You have to wrap all your JS with CDATA, I don't have a specific
example but look that up and you'll find your solution.

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RE: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Taco Fleur
Hi, yes, am using STRICT doctype
OK, if I understand this correctly, all I need to do to fix it is surround
it with a DIV.

Cheers 

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Are you using a STRICT doctype?  If so, form tags can only contain block
level elements.

http://24ways.org/2005/transitional-vs-strict-markup



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RE: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Taco Fleur
Hi,

 This sounds like one of those 'its much easier if you show us the code' 
things :)

Yes, its development, don't want Google to pick up on it.

 Move the '/p' into the js too.

It needs to be inline due to coding framework used, the following is the
code:
if ( myArray.length == 0 ) {
myTarget.innerHTML = 'pNo suggestions found/p';
return false;
}

 Perhaps have 'openThingy' and 'closeThingy' functions?




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RE: [WSG] Validation questions

2007-11-26 Thread Taco Fleur
Hi,

No actually not using XHTML. It's STRICT 4.01 

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Subject: Re: [WSG] Validation questions

On Nov 26, 2007 10:34 PM, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have an error where it says end tag for element P which is not open.
 The p tag is actually within javascript, within the headscript I 
 don't see how I can fix this error.


Clearly you are using XHTML.

You have to wrap all your JS with CDATA, I don't have a specific example but
look that up and you'll find your solution.

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[WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Kim Kruse
When I run this site http://mouseriders.dk/index.php through Cynthia 
validator (level 1,2,3)  it fails Priority 2 - forms 12.4.3 and I just 
can't figure out why. Could someone please explain it to me? Thanks a lot


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Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Darren West
Hi Kim,

You need to associate a label * with your select element. For instance:

form id=selectform method=post action=action_script.php
  fieldset

*  label for=selectPlease choose/label

  select name=select
option selected=selected label=vælg herVælg her/option
optgroup label=Vælg farver
option label=Sort/Grøn  value=0Sort/Grøn /option
option label=Hvid/Blå value=21Hvid/Blå/option
/optgroup
optgroup label=Tastatur
option label=Sæt accesskeys value=accesskeysSæt accesskeys/option
/optgroup
  /select
  br /
  input type=submit name=submit value=Skrift/
  /fieldset
/form

Substituting 'Please choose' with something indicative of the select
elements choices.

Daz


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Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Johannes Reiss

Hi,

When I run this site http://mouseriders.dk/index.php through Cynthia validator (level 1,2,3)  it fails Priority 2 - forms 12.4.3 
and I just can't figure out why. Could someone please explain it to me? Thanks a lot

   select name=select
   option selected=selected label=vælg herVælg her/option...= must be something like:labe 
for=xyNN:/label select name=xy id=xy
   option selected=selected label=vælg herVælg her/option...best regardsjohannes 



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Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Johannes Reiss



When I run this site http://mouseriders.dk/index.php through Cynthia 
validator (level 1,2,3)  it fails Priority 2 - forms 12.4.3 and I just 
can't figure out why. Could someone please explain it to me? Thanks a lot


sorry for my last Mail:

must be something like:

label for=xyNN:/label
select name=xy id=xy
option selected=...

johannes

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Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Darren West
Opps, and associated the label with and id. For instance:

label for=selectPlease choose/label
   select name=select id=select

Daz

On 01/03/06, Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Kim,

 You need to associate a label * with your select element. For instance:

 form id=selectform method=post action=action_script.php
   fieldset

 *  label for=selectPlease choose/label

   select name=select
 option selected=selected label=vælg herVælg her/option
 optgroup label=Vælg farver
 option label=Sort/Grøn  value=0Sort/Grøn /option
 option label=Hvid/Blå value=21Hvid/Blå/option
 /optgroup
 optgroup label=Tastatur
 option label=Sæt accesskeys value=accesskeysSæt accesskeys/option
 /optgroup
   /select
   br /
   input type=submit name=submit value=Skrift/
   /fieldset
 /form

 Substituting 'Please choose' with something indicative of the select
 elements choices.

 Daz


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Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Kim Kruse

Excellent. Thanks everyone... and why didn't I ask before!

Kim Kruse wrote:

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validator (level 1,2,3)  it fails Priority 2 - forms 12.4.3 and I just 
can't figure out why. Could someone please explain it to me? Thanks a lot




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RE: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
 McIvor Lee

 The phrasing of the Cynthia results page suggests that there 
 are alternative
 methods to pass this particular checkpoint without using a 
 label, but I don't
 know of one.

Adding a title attribute to the form element (in this case,
the SELECT) is one of these alternatives.

P

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Re: [WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-26 Thread Mordechai Peller

Patrick H. Lauke wrote:

You need to have a block level container inside your 
blockquote...can't just have pure content. So, for instance:


blockquote
phere's the quote/p
/blockquote


While that's true for XHTML, it's not the case for HTML.
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[WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-25 Thread tee

Hi can someone help me to understand this:
Is blockquote not allow here?


error message read:
 You have used character data somewhere it is not permitted to  
appear. Mistakes that can cause this error include putting text  
directly in the body of the document without wrapping it in a  
container element (such as a paragraph/p) or forgetting to quote  
an attribute value (where characters such as % and / are common,  
but cannot appear without surrounding quotes).


html:
h3.../h3
p.../p
p.../p
blockquote class=right.../blockquote
p.../p
p.../p


thanks!

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Re: [WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke

tee wrote:

Hi can someone help me to understand this:
Is blockquote not allow here?



html:
h3.../h3
p.../p
p.../p
blockquote class=right.../blockquote
p.../p
p.../p


You need to have a block level container inside your blockquote...can't 
just have pure content. So, for instance:


blockquote
phere's the quote/p
/blockquote


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Re: [WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-25 Thread tee

Hi Patrick, thanks a lot. This totally makes sense.

tee


You need to have a block level container inside your  
blockquote...can't just have pure content. So, for instance:


blockquote
phere's the quote/p
/blockquote


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Re: [WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-25 Thread tee



Hi Patrick, thanks a lot. This totally makes sense.

tee



You need to have a block level container inside your  
blockquote...can't just have pure content. So, for instance:


blockquote
phere's the quote/p
/blockquote






A second thought. Can you point me to articles (non-w3c site) that  
explain the use of block quote. I wanted to make sure I fully  
understand it.

Thanks!
tee
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Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-06 Thread tee
But it is in the div

Example:
div id=form
form method=post action=form.cgi
input type=hidden name=postmode value=QUANTITYBOXES /
pblah blah blah /p
div class=twoCol
labelinput type=text size=2 name=quantity1 / item name/label
labelinput type=text size=2 name=quantity2 / item name/label
/div
/div


tee
 From: Kwok Ting Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:49:43 +1000
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: RE: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict
 
 input has to be wrapped in a block level tag of some sort, e.g. p,
 div, fieldset etc.
 
 So you'd use:  pinput/p or divinput/div or
 fieldsetinput/fieldset (very simplified)
 
 Kwok-Ting
 
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-06 Thread Roger Johansson
On 6 maj 2005, at 08.01, tee wrote:
But it is in the div
Example:
div id=form
form method=post action=form.cgi
input type=hidden name=postmode value=QUANTITYBOXES /
You need a block level element _inside_ the form element:
form
div
input  /
/div
/Roger
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Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-06 Thread liorean
On 5/6/05, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But it is in the div
 
 Example:
 div id=form
 form method=post action=form.cgi
 input type=hidden name=postmode value=QUANTITYBOXES /
 pblah blah blah /p
 div class=twoCol
 labelinput type=text size=2 name=quantity1 / item name/label
 labelinput type=text size=2 name=quantity2 / item name/label
 /div
 /div

You misunderstood that a bit: It must be the direct contents of one of
the elements listed - no elements in between.
You currently have 

div  form  input

But the input need to be contained in one of the listed elements - for
example like this:

form  div  input

It's a question of direct parent, not ancestor.
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Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-06 Thread tee
 You misunderstood that a bit: It must be the direct contents of one of
 the elements listed - no elements in between.
 You currently have
 
   div  form  input
 
 But the input need to be contained in one of the listed elements - for
 example like this:
 
   form  div  input
 
 It's a question of direct parent, not ancestor.

Thanks all, it makes sense now. Boy I am so grate I asked.

tee

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RE: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

2005-05-05 Thread Kwok Ting Lee
input has to be wrapped in a block level tag of some sort, e.g. p,
div, fieldset etc.  

So you'd use:  pinput/p or divinput/div or
fieldsetinput/fieldset (very simplified)

Kwok-Ting



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Re: [WSG] validation errors

2005-04-18 Thread Andrew Hawthorne
Hi Helen,
In the link for the consumer's association change the ampersand to the  
html entity for ampersand (amp;)  and try validation again. The 
validator is trying to identify a system identifier 'catId...' and 
because it hasn't been terminated with a semicolon, it generates all 
those other errors.

just like this.
   http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314amp;catId=100165
Andrew
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I have a page in the site I am working on
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won't validate because of an external link I have to the Australian
Consumers' Association -
http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314catId=100165
I'm getting these sorts of errors
Line 298, column 70: cannot generate system identifier for general entity
catId
Line 298, column 70: general entity catId not defined and no default
entity
Line 298, column 75: reference not terminated by REFC delimiter
Line 298, column 75: reference to external entity in attribute value
Is there any way to get the page to validate?
Any help is much appreciated.
Thank you
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[WSG] validation errors

2005-04-17 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi

I have a page in the site I am working on
(http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/sbi240/module3/agriculture.html) that
won't validate because of an external link I have to the Australian
Consumers' Association -
http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314catId=100165

I'm getting these sorts of errors

Line 298, column 70: cannot generate system identifier for general entity
catId
Line 298, column 70: general entity catId not defined and no default
entity
Line 298, column 75: reference not terminated by REFC delimiter
Line 298, column 75: reference to external entity in attribute value

Is there any way to get the page to validate?

Any help is much appreciated.

Thank you
Helen

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Re: [WSG] validation errors

2005-04-17 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
This needs to be rewritten as:
http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314amp;catId=100165

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Hi
I have a page in the site I am working on
(http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/sbi240/module3/agriculture.html) that
won't validate because of an external link I have to the Australian
Consumers' Association -
http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314catId=100165
I'm getting these sorts of errors
Line 298, column 70: cannot generate system identifier for general entity
catId
Line 298, column 70: general entity catId not defined and no default
entity
Line 298, column 75: reference not terminated by REFC delimiter
Line 298, column 75: reference to external entity in attribute value
Is there any way to get the page to validate?
Any help is much appreciated.
Thank you
Helen
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Re: [WSG] validation errors

2005-04-17 Thread John Horner
http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314catId=100165
I'm getting these sorts of errors
Line 298, column 70: cannot generate system identifier for general entity
catId
You need to replace the  character in the URL with amp;. The 
short version of why this is a problem is in HTML,  followed by a 
string of characters is a character entity, like eacute; for an e 
with an accent. The validator thinks you've used an unknown entity.

   Have You Validated Your Code?
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Re: [WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-11 Thread John Horner
CSS doesn't have strict separation of versions. The validator should 
check only well-formness of it.
That's certainly not what the W3 validator does.
The example which prompted this is display:inline-block. If I 
validate a file with that in it, I get this:

Errors
* Line: 8 Context : .myclass
Invalid number : display inline-block is not a display value : inline-block
If I know how, I can
1) go back to the validator page
2) choose advanced options
3) choose CSS Version 3 from the TEN different options available
and it will tell me it's valid.
Note that one of the ten options is No special profile and that too 
tells me it's an error...

What prompted this question was me trying to spread that message that 
you should validate your code to a skeptic. I don't think I convinced 
them by telling them they should follow that set of steps...

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Re: [WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-08 Thread Jan Brasna
That is a good point, there should be a DOCTYPE identifier for CSS, that
would make it a lot easier to validate and everything.
IMHO not, because CSS doesn't have strict separation of versions. The 
validator should check only well-formness of it.

And then alternatively you could be asked what version/revesion you used 
when authoring it - to check it for valid selector/rules/media etc. 
However you can have CSS1, CSS2 (precisely 2.1 as the last revision), 
CSS3 and vendor specific rules in one file and browser should pick only 
the ones the understand. So many version of CSS can be in one file. 
Therefore validation against one specific version is IMHO N/A here.

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[WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-07 Thread John Horner
I was recently talking to someone who'd validated their CSS and got 
an error for display:inline-block.

He was using the W3 validator, and it was telling him it was invalid, 
and it is of course, for CSS 1 and 2. If you used the advanced 
options and validated against the CSS 3 standard, it was fine.

Which led him to ask a very sensible question -- why isn't there some 
kind of identifier like the DOCTYPE for CSS?

Any thoughts?

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Re: [WSG] Validation of CSS

2005-04-07 Thread Ryan
That is a good point, there should be a DOCTYPE identifier for CSS, that
would make it a lot easier to validate and everything.

--
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On 4/7/05 8:08 PM, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was recently talking to someone who'd validated their CSS and got
 an error for display:inline-block.
 
 He was using the W3 validator, and it was telling him it was invalid,
 and it is of course, for CSS 1 and 2. If you used the advanced
 options and validated against the CSS 3 standard, it was fine.
 
 Which led him to ask a very sensible question -- why isn't there some
 kind of identifier like the DOCTYPE for CSS?
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Have You Validated Your Code?
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Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-03-02 Thread Alan Trick
I like that idea.
This is kind of off topic but to you think that validation logos should 
open in a new window, or not.  Opening in a new window keeps people from 
leaving the site, but popups are anoying and generally frowned upon.

designer wrote:
- Original Message - 
From: Andy Budd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

 

I think most people put validation logos on their sites for peers. This
is often just vanity/showing off. However other web developers do click
these logos and report back if they find problems, so they can have
their benefits.
I know, I know, we should al make sure our pages validate when they
have been changes, but sometimes it's easy to forget, especially as
most of the time it's not relay mission critical.
Andy Budd
   

I have today knocked up a 'logo' which links to this group's spiel about
standards, and put it on my business web site. Just an experiment, of
course. . .
If you want to see it, go to the link in my signature (below), pick the html
version and it's on the opening page.
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RE: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-03-02 Thread Chris W. Parker
Alan Trick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:55 AM said:

 This is kind of off topic but to you think that validation logos
 should open in a new window, or not.  Opening in a new window keeps
 people from leaving the site, but popups are anoying and generally
 frowned upon.

Pop ups are different from a link opening in a new window once clicked.



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Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-28 Thread Andy Budd
I think most people put validation logos on their sites for peers. This 
is often just vanity/showing off. However other web developers do click 
these logos and report back if they find problems, so they can have 
their benefits.

I know, I know, we should al make sure our pages validate when they 
have been changes, but sometimes it's easy to forget, especially as 
most of the time it's not relay mission critical.

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Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-28 Thread designer

- Original Message - 
From: Andy Budd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?


 I think most people put validation logos on their sites for peers. This
 is often just vanity/showing off. However other web developers do click
 these logos and report back if they find problems, so they can have
 their benefits.

 I know, I know, we should al make sure our pages validate when they
 have been changes, but sometimes it's easy to forget, especially as
 most of the time it's not relay mission critical.


 Andy Budd

I have today knocked up a 'logo' which links to this group's spiel about
standards, and put it on my business web site. Just an experiment, of
course. . .

If you want to see it, go to the link in my signature (below), pick the html
version and it's on the opening page.

Bob McClelland,
Cornwall (U.K.)
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RE: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-26 Thread Mike Pepper
An old chestnut.

Standards badging is largely irrelevant to the client as they have no
knowledge of or likely interest in the delivery mechanisms and markup/coding
involved in development of a web presence. Neither too has the general
public. That's point 1: fair ignorance of development.

Since CSS, DTD markup compliance or WAI accessibility level badges are
simply markers to recommendations and not Kite marks (like Corgi for British
gas fitters, a recognised accreditation) they have no bearing on
accountability or fitness for purpose, and their adoption is, at best, an
indication that developers and, possibly, clients recognise best practice in
the industry. That's point 2: no accountability in law or to a peer group.

Where badging does kick in and I believe justifiably so is with
inter-industry peer pressure and as a prompt for unclued wannabe developers
to investigate further. A couple of years ago I had no idea what web
standards or accessibility were about; I now know better. Part of the
trigger was the use of badges on certain sites I happened upon.

To the initiated, badges are often looked upon with smug derision; we don't
need 'em cuz we're cool. Ivory tower syndrome. Don't get smug. I badge
because I want fledgling developers to ask questions of and be a party to
standards development. These are the guys we need to have commit to
standards-compliant accessible development, as we do their tutors in
educational establishments.

A top down approach to development, a commitment by governments to sanction
businesses who do not take 'reasonable efforts' to ensure their sites are
accessible is a welcome - though largely toothless - effort towards
recognising a moral requirement toward the rights of impaired web users. But
until these sanctions are imposed with a fervour, which they won't because
of the legal minefield involved when challenging *recommendations* not
development *standards* (and the woolliness of the legislation), it's
necessary to adopt a bottom up, critical mass approach.

Until we, as an industry, are accredited with an internationally recognised
set of development standards, which will mean formal exams toward formal
qualifications, the best we can expect is to have wannabe developers look to
us for guidance. That can start with a couple of badges on a site.

Mike Pepper
Accessible Web Developer
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Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-26 Thread designer
Hi all,

I think that basically we all agree in principle. However, to take a couple
of points:

[1] Patrick's :

It's a bit like plastering a nice
 big sticker on a new building saying built with bob's special concrete
 mix. As long as the site (or building) performs as it should, customers
 do not need to know this sort of stuff...they couldn't care less.

Is that true? I would have thought that any responsible client of the
builder would like to know that building regs were adhered to.  (i.e.,
'standards' are our 'building regulations' :-)   Surely?

  Compliance does not necessarily equate high standard.

Absolutely!

 Who would be the awarding body? Who would monitor continuous compliance?

Yep! There's the rub!


[2] Kim:

 Maybe the stickers wont
 mean anything to all people but lets hope they'll ask what it is. That
 way the stickers could turn into a kind off quality stamp in the
 long run.

My (new) feelings exactly.

[3] Kornel:

 I like that idea...

So who (which one of us) is going to do it then? :-)

[4] Mike:

A nice summary, thank you.

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Cornwall (U.K.)
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[WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-25 Thread designer
- Original Message - 
From: Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?


 What you may want to do is insted of the displaying that logo, use the
 smaller ones, like the ones at the bottom of this (http://plone.org/)
page.

[snip]

I've been googling, but not found much in answer to my queries , which are,

[1]  Do folk regard the w3c validation logos in much the same way that other
industries regard the kitemark?

[2]  if not, is this because they aren't 'official' ?

[3] Have there been any attempts to get an official kitemark (or kitemarks)
for valid, accessible sites?

It seems to me that a 'proper' kitemark would really be an incentive for
folk to use standards.

Anyone?

Bob McClelland,
Cornwall (U.K.)
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk

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Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
designer wrote:
[1]  Do folk regard the w3c validation logos in much the same way that other
industries regard the kitemark?
I think an important thing to remember here is: who are these logos for? 
Sure, you get the peer recognition, but do consumers and end users 
*really* care about whether or not your site is XHTML 1.0 Strict 
compliant? I'd posit that no, for the most part, users will come to your 
site to get a service or information. It's a bit like plastering a nice 
big sticker on a new building saying built with bob's special concrete 
mix. As long as the site (or building) performs as it should, customers 
do not need to know this sort of stuff...they couldn't care less.

[2]  if not, is this because they aren't 'official' ?
Well, the kitemarks assure consumers that their products won't just blow 
up or catch fire or something. With a web site, it really has no 
meaning. A site can be fully W3C compliant and still be unfit for 
purpose. Compliance does not necessarily equate high standard.

[3] Have there been any attempts to get an official kitemark (or kitemarks)
for valid, accessible sites?
Let's not confuse validation with accessibility. There is a certain 
benefit to advertising (or otherwise making clear) that a site has made 
steps towards being accessible...although I'd argue that even then this 
sort of thing should be invisible, i.e.: a user with certain access 
needs should realise a site is accessible by actually using it, and not 
because he/she is being told.

It seems to me that a 'proper' kitemark would really be an incentive for
folk to use standards.
Who would be the awarding body? Who would monitor continuous compliance?
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Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-25 Thread Lea de Groot
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:41:24 -, designer wrote:
 [1]  Do folk regard the w3c validation logos in much the same way that other
 industries regard the kitemark?

Having never heard of a 'kitemark' I googled, and got this:
http://www.bsi-global.com/Kitemark/index.xalter
I assume the 'heart shaped' image is the 'kitemark'?

Interesting point, but I think the difference is that a web site is in 
the use, not in the checks :(

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Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-25 Thread Kim Kruse
I'm not sure I agree when it comes to you shouldn't plaster a site with 
stickers for valid xhtml/css/508 etc. I guess we all have a common 
interest in higher awareness about standards. Maybe the stickers wont 
mean anything to all people but lets hope they'll ask what it is. That 
way the stickers could turn into a kind off quality stamp in the 
long run.

Just my humble opinion
Kim

Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
designer wrote:
[1]  Do folk regard the w3c validation logos in much the same way 
that other
industries regard the kitemark?

I think an important thing to remember here is: who are these logos 
for? Sure, you get the peer recognition, but do consumers and end 
users *really* care about whether or not your site is XHTML 1.0 Strict 
compliant? I'd posit that no, for the most part, users will come to 
your site to get a service or information. It's a bit like plastering 
a nice big sticker on a new building saying built with bob's special 
concrete mix. As long as the site (or building) performs as it 
should, customers do not need to know this sort of stuff...they 
couldn't care less.

[2]  if not, is this because they aren't 'official' ?

Well, the kitemarks assure consumers that their products won't just 
blow up or catch fire or something. With a web site, it really has no 
meaning. A site can be fully W3C compliant and still be unfit for 
purpose. Compliance does not necessarily equate high standard.

[3] Have there been any attempts to get an official kitemark (or 
kitemarks)
for valid, accessible sites?

Let's not confuse validation with accessibility. There is a certain 
benefit to advertising (or otherwise making clear) that a site has 
made steps towards being accessible...although I'd argue that even 
then this sort of thing should be invisible, i.e.: a user with certain 
access needs should realise a site is accessible by actually using it, 
and not because he/she is being told.

It seems to me that a 'proper' kitemark would really be an incentive for
folk to use standards.

Who would be the awarding body? Who would monitor continuous compliance?
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Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

2005-02-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Kim Kruse wrote:
 I guess we all have a common 
interest in higher awareness about standards.
But again, who are we targetting with these? Site visitors? Site owners? 
Our peer web developers?

Maybe the stickers wont 
mean anything to all people but lets hope they'll ask what it is. That 
way the stickers could turn into a kind off quality stamp in the 
long run.
Validation does not equal quality. And looking at some of the high 
profile sites which have adopted standards (e.g. www.wired.com), I don't 
see any little stickers. Only if these big players started adding the 
stickers would it matter.

IMHO, of course.
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[WSG] Validation Error

2005-01-03 Thread Chris Kennon
Me Again:
The W3c CSS validator is giving me strange results. All was well  
yesterday, but to today I'm instructed to validate the document, which  
returns valid XHTML, but the CSS validator reports an error:

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://ckimedia.com/ 
index.php


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Re: [WSG] Validation Error[solved]

2005-01-03 Thread Chris Kennon
Ironically the problem was  with a link to a web standards site.

On Monday, January 3, 2005, at 08:21  AM, Chris Kennon wrote:
Me Again:
The W3c CSS validator is giving me strange results. All was well  
yesterday, but to today I'm instructed to validate the document, which  
returns valid XHTML, but the CSS validator reports an error:

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://ckimedia.com/ 
index.php


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Re: [WSG] Validation Error

2005-01-03 Thread Charles Martin
May want to give it another try.. I just did the validation through 
Firefox and it reported no errors.

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Re: [WSG] Validation Error

2005-01-03 Thread JohnyB
W3C CSS Validator Results for http://ckimedia.com/
No error or warning found
Congratulations!
Valid CSS!
This document validates as CSS!
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Re: [WSG] Validation and Accessibility Reports out side of the W3C

2004-11-28 Thread Mark Harwood
We actualy got around it using Dreamweavers RegEx support in its Find and 
Replace 

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:59 , Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

Mark Harwood  wrote:

Now we have just run a SiteMore.com check on part of the development site and 
it
has come back kicking and screaming at us as we are using WIDTH and HEIGHT on
's and ALIGN on 's
  

It shouldn't be that difficult to write a small program to go through 
the files and whenever it finds a table with width or height, or an 
aligned image, to remove the attributes and either add a style attribute 
or add an id and insert the style rules in a style block.

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Re: [WSG] Validation and Accessibility Reports out side of the W3C

2004-11-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Harwood WebMail wrote:
Now we have just run a SiteMore.com check on part of the development site and it
has come back kicking and screaming at us as we are using WIDTH and HEIGHT on
table's and ALIGN on img /'s
 

It shouldn't be that difficult to write a small program to go through 
the files and whenever it finds a table with width or height, or an 
aligned image, to remove the attributes and either add a style attribute 
or add an id and insert the style rules in a style block.

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[WSG] Validation and Accessibility Reports out side of the W3C

2004-11-18 Thread Mark Harwood
Im currently working on a project for a local council to make there site
Accessible and Validate.

Now as with most developers im working with W3C's HTML validate and WebXact from
watchfire for Accessibility.

Now the site is very large and as such a lot of the old content is still HTML
4.01 Trans, but is validates fine and also gets AA accessibility.

Now we have just run a SiteMore.com check on part of the development site and it
has come back kicking and screaming at us as we are using WIDTH and HEIGHT on
table's and ALIGN on img /'s

Now I know these attributes are now redundant by W3C and were are advised not 
too
use them in future projects, but they also state they will carry on being
supported for backwards compatibility.

Is sitemore.com correct in saying that we fail AA? as we have these attributes?
Even though there all relative measurements?

They state this is the only way to be AA and that also we should not use 4.01
Trans but should use Strict.

Now I agree, if we had the time to sort out all the old static content we would
go though and make it all XHTML 1.0 but sadly we don't have time so were going
through the guidelines and getting it Valid and to AA standards.

The other issues with this is that they have only just brought this into place
right at the start of reports by SOCITIM (government report thingy!) and they 
use
Sitemore to check the councils websites.

My argue is that they cant state were invalid and don't pass AA as they are 
being
to strict to the guidelines.

Also they stated that we should move to Strict XHTML and use inline styles, 
which
I know is invalid.

But what you lot think?

Sorry for my long winded rant, just weve been working on this none stop for the
last 10days to get it sorted in time and now they move the goal posts, guess its
like the FA over ruling FIFA :S

Many Thanks
Mark Harwood

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Re: [WSG] validation... and invalid markup

2004-01-27 Thread James Ellis





Scott:


scott parsons wrote:

Standards... yay
sure if you belong to this list you gotta support standards or else why
bother?
  

Well, not really. Belonging to a list doesn't mean you agree with
everything on it.
But
lately I have seen lots of people trying to find ways to validate their
code when it isn't valid.
  
For example Veine K Vikberg just posted to this list about a flash
problem he was having...
  
The best code for embedding a flash movie ISN'T valid markup, so why do
people try to hack the mark-up to pieces to validate?
  


The valid code used in the Flash Satay examples is completely ok and
the w3c recommended way to insert an object in a page, it's not a hack
- it's good, valid code - read the HTML4 rec available at w3c. The hack
is the embed tag - Gecko, Opera and KHTML all support object
perfectly well. The hack is the way ActiveX browsers (i.e IE) use the
object tag. Apparently the object tag used by all other browsers is the
one in the HTML4 rec, the object tag used by IE is a Microsoft tag
implemented prior to the HTML rec.

http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/07/02/dive.html
"Why won't it work? Well, it will work in some browsers. But not in
Internet Explorer. The object element is a good
idea; unfortunately, it came a bit too late in the game. Before
object was officially added to the HTML
specification
in 1997, Microsoft had already introduced its own vendor-specific
element
in Internet Explorer 3.0 as a way of embedding ActiveX controls in web
pages: an element named... object.
When object was later standardized,
Microsoft
retrofitted support for it, sort of. Except that, to this day, even the
latest version of Internet Explorer treats all object
elements as ActiveX controls. Which means that if you have your
security
settings on "high" (disabling all ActiveX controls), you won't see any
object elements, even ones that have nothing to do
with ActiveX."
Cheers
James

Personally
I don't understand this desire to validate when using invalid code. It
is strange, I simply ask why, if they want valid code do they use
invalid code?
  
  
so that is my grump of the day... any comments?
  



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