Re: [WSG] WANAU - anyone heard of them?
Tim, if there's no sandwiches, I'm not going. ... ;-) seriously though, I think you have a point, but I don't think your approach will achieve anything. It's like howling at the developers of IE because they were part of a team that brought us a dodgy browser. There are many many good folk building websites at universities and WANAU is one way that they can share their ideas... but, by and large, these are not the people who hold the purse strings and call the shots when it comes to developing big university systems, so there is no use ranting at them and alienating them. You condemn the Griffith page apparently on the basis of a URL that contains unescaped ampersands. I know at Melbourne University, we have had systems that simply would not recognise escaped ampersands in links (haven't checked that one for a while), so we were forced to leave links invalid. These are not little systems - to upgrade or change vendor would cost many many millions of dollars. Not valid and therefore, strictly speaking, not accessible. Still, I couldn't be 100% certain, but I'd take a guess that no-one apart from the validator cared or even noticed. -- Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.woowoowoo.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Thanks Andrew for correcting me and you too Russ. Was I ranting or being prejudiced against sandwiches as a metaphor for procrastination? The latter I thought. Sorry. I don't mind being alienated if a scape goat is required. If there were a page of Aust uni reviews detailing errors in each one it would be a negative reinforcement and potential legal liability that the holders of the Uni budget will be forced to consider. Not the old case of the forced to use unescaped ampersands! When will they ever learn? A page of reviews would help those of you forced to include invalid links in your html. Your Melb Uni page validates nicely. Tim On 11/04/2007, at 3:05 PM, Andrew Harris wrote: Tim, if there's no sandwiches, I'm not going. ... ;-) seriously though, I think you have a point, but I don't think your approach will achieve anything. It's like howling at the developers of IE because they were part of a team that brought us a dodgy browser. There are many many good folk building websites at universities and WANAU is one way that they can share their ideas... but, by and large, these are not the people who hold the purse strings and call the shots when it comes to developing big university systems, so there is no use ranting at them and alienating them. You condemn the Griffith page apparently on the basis of a URL that contains unescaped ampersands. I know at Melbourne University, we have had systems that simply would not recognise escaped ampersands in links (haven't checked that one for a while), so we were forced to leave links invalid. These are not little systems - to upgrade or change vendor would cost many many millions of dollars. Not valid and therefore, strictly speaking, not accessible. Still, I couldn't be 100% certain, but I'd take a guess that no-one apart from the validator cared or even noticed. -- Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.woowoowoo.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi Tim, I'd say Universities are probably aware of the issues with their sites, they just don't have a magic wand to wave to get everything fixed. Universities have massive amounts of information to provide and generally a minimal budget to provide it. Despite that, they are held to very high standards and are a soft target for complaints. What about a page on Australian Universities similar to what I have done for aus.gov.au sites. Australian Universities have in fact been surveyed before (eg. http://ausweb.scu.edu.au/aw03/papers/alexander3/) and the results are an excellent bargaining chip to promote accessibility issues internally. It needs to be a dispassionate review though. Trust me, screaming at people over validation results won't get the results you want. The Griffith site that you so casually dismiss over some unescaped characters actually took a lot of work from a dedicated team. There was no big budget and no CMS to help, but there were some 100,000+ files to manage and transition (through several iterations) from tables+frames to semantic markup. In such situations priorities are set. Perfect validation comes in as a lower priority than, say, getting rid of framesets; adding visible skip links; and adding display preference settings. Wouldn't that be of practical value to shame Aust universities not up to scratch, rather than chatting and more sandwiches? Perhaps you're underestimating the value of knowledge sharing (chatting and sandwiches) to under-resourced university staff :) People may not have the budget to buy huge IT solutions, but they can go to WANAU and brainstorm with other people in the same boat. Frankly just having other people to talk to can make all the difference, keeps people enthused and working towards their goals. Were the outcomes of the WANAU forum concrete and measurable? Some were, some weren't. It's a valuable activity either way. cheers, Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Tim wrote: Who are this group, what have they done in previous forums since 2004. I can only add that as a university student of South Australia, I enrolled in and enjoyed Denise Wood's Accessible Interactive Media where all sorts of accessibility was included (eg. captions on video clips for the Internet, keyboard accessibility for Flash, etc.). What has that got to do with the price of tea in China? Denise Wood is the South Australian representative of WANAU. That's what she does :) She teaches uni students to be very careful in accessibility, not just in this specialised course, but in all courses she teaches. Actually, she is really good at it :) Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we¹ve been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! Cheers Susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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WANAU has been an invaluable leader in promoting accessibility issues in policies within Universities for some years now. Their site used to be self-explanatory. Haven't been involved for some time but they are very deserving of your help - very practical pioneers on this issue. Michael Michael Wood Repository Manager La Trobe University Library Bundoora VIC 3086 Australia ph: +61 3 9479 5173 fax: +61 3 9479 3018 mob: +61 402 969 863 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4/11/07, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... *http://www.wanau.org/site.html* They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we've been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! Cheers Susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I haven't heard of them, but I'd certainly be interested in finding out more about them. I work at Swinburne Uni (in Melbourne), and I'm pushing for more accessibility within the sites I'm responsible for. Feel free to email me off the mailing list if need be. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Lucien. -- Lucien Stals Multimedia/Web Developer Academic Development and Support Swinburne University of Technology PO Box 218 Hawthorn, 3122, Australia email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephone: +61 3 9214 4474 office: AD223 On 11/04/2007 at 9:41 am, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we¹ve been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! Cheers Susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Education is only the beginning. Let's get on with it. Swinburne University of Technology CRICOS Provider Code: 00111D NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee. They may contain information that is privileged or protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution, printing, copying or use is strictly prohibited. The University does not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are secure and there is also a risk that it may be corrupted in transmission. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening them. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us on +61 3 9214 8000 and delete it immediately from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:Lucien Stals TEL;WORK:4474 ORG:;Academic Development and Support EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:[EMAIL PROTECTED] N:Stals;Lucien END:VCARD *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi Susie, I haven't heard of this group before but I have gone through the website and it looks like something that's needed esp. among Universities. I am definitely interested in attending the Sydney event in May. Sydney Uni are actually having a web forum this afternoon for all CMS users and I will definitely mention this site and at least get people on board the mailing list. -- signature 10.8.06 Best regards, Adeline Yaw Administrative Assistant Centre for Physical Activity Health Level 2, Medical Foundation Building, K25 University of Sydney NSW 2006 t: +61 2 9036 3193 | f: +61 2 9036 3184 www.cpah.health.usyd.edu.au Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: WANAU - anyone heard of them? Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and weve been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! Cheers Susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
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On 11/04/2007, at 9:41 AM, Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we’ve been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! Cheers Susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Don't be conned Susie, Who are this group, what have they done in previous forums since 2004. Where was it held last year? Who attended last year? I bet they are selling training courses, seen in links to a business case on the W3C site.. Funny that they are from RMIT yet there is no action at their own University. Multiple page errors. Fix your own Uni pages first. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rmit.edu.au%2F They do have a few different stylesheets, but the changes between them are minor colour changes. I thought Dey Alexander was working with Vision Australia who to me seem to accept low government standards to get training contracts from AGIMO. Following Maquire v Sydney Olympics, who does any legal advocation for the blind apart from myself? This group may want to sell you training contracts. http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html#visaust Bloody hell I work hard on testing Australian sites including Universities who should know better, what is WANAU, what have they done. With a few dollars funding I could review all Australian Universities and have a reference page showing those who fail and why, what else do you need, fund me to complete a review of University webpages and forget the talkfest. Australian sites are in a bad way, few Universities know what accessibility is. http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html ANU fails RMIT fails Sydney Fail Swinburne fails I have done dozens reviews of Australian government websites and advocated a legal position to HREOC. what has WANAU done apart from make a few webpages? Yours Faithfully Tim Anderson The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Pioneers, Not in making their own sites accessible. Don't make me laugh. Tim On 11/04/2007, at 10:02 AM, Michael Wood wrote: WANAU has been an invaluable leader in promoting accessibility issues in policies within Universities for some years now. Their site used to be self-explanatory. Haven't been involved for some time but they are very deserving of your help - very practical pioneers on this issue. Michael Michael Wood Repository Manager La Trobe University Library Bundoora VIC 3086 Australia ph: +61 3 9479 5173 fax: +61 3 9479 3018 mob: +61 402 969 863 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4/11/07, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we've been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! Cheers Susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi Susie, Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we've been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! WANAU has been around for a few years now and the forums are great. Of course I may be biased since I ran the 2005 forum at Griffith ;) Basically WANAU is there to connect university-based web professionals and allow knowledge sharing, events, etc. Universities have accessibility challenges which often require different approaches than those encountered in the commercial sector; so WANAU provides a great way to get people together to discuss the issues. Well worth being involved if you're a web professional at a uni! :) cheers, Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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What are the forums great for? Sandwiches and a chat! What is the concrete result of the forums? For example did Griffith Uni gain anything from the 2005 sandwich fest. It does not appear there was any benefit to Griffith Uni students. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.griffith.edu.au%2F Tim On 11/04/2007, at 11:54 AM, Ben Buchanan wrote: Hi Susie, Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we've been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! WANAU has been around for a few years now and the forums are great. Of course I may be biased since I ran the 2005 forum at Griffith ;) Basically WANAU is there to connect university-based web professionals and allow knowledge sharing, events, etc. Universities have accessibility challenges which often require different approaches than those encountered in the commercial sector; so WANAU provides a great way to get people together to discuss the issues. Well worth being involved if you're a web professional at a uni! :) cheers, Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Thanks everyone for your responses! I'd never heard of them before - they obviously haven't had a presence at UQ to date. Looks like I (and my department) will be getting involved, which is great! Cheers susie On 11/4/07 11:54 AM, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susie, Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we've been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! WANAU has been around for a few years now and the forums are great. Of course I may be biased since I ran the 2005 forum at Griffith ;) Basically WANAU is there to connect university-based web professionals and allow knowledge sharing, events, etc. Universities have accessibility challenges which often require different approaches than those encountered in the commercial sector; so WANAU provides a great way to get people together to discuss the issues. Well worth being involved if you're a web professional at a uni! :) cheers, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi Tim The Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities (WANAU) is a volunteer group with no formal structure (that I know of), much like Web Standards Group. It seeks to promote Web accessibility within Australian universities. They run a mailing list [1], forums at universities [2] and generally have a 'birds of a feather' meeting at OZeWAI [3] and possibly other conferences, like AusWeb. WANAU is not from RMIT, although WANAU's 2007 Victorian forum was held at RMIT. [4] I helped organise it and I chaired it. It was well attended, with almost 100 people attending from most (if not all) Victorian universities. People seemed to like it. WANAU do not sell training courses. They don't sell anything, actually. Dey Alexander is an independent consultant. [5] She used to work for Monash University. She probably has worked with Vision Australia in the past. She has completed one review of Australian university Web sites, similar to what you describe [6], and is currently undertaking a second, to update the findings of the first review. The results will be presented this year at AusWeb. [7] [1] WANAU mailing list: http://www.wanau.org/list.html [2] WANAU forums: http://www.wanau.org/forums2007/ [3] OZeWAI conference: http://www.ozewai.org/ [4] 2007 Victorian WANAU forum: http://www.wanau.org/forums2007/ melbourne.html [5] Dey Alexander Consulting: http://www.deyalexander.com/ [6] Alexander Dey, 30 Jan 2004, How Accessible Are Australian University Web Sites?, Ariadne 38, http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/ issue38/web-watch/ [7] AusWeb: http://ausweb.scu.edu.au/ -- Jonathan O'Donnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://purl.nla.gov.au/net/jod +61 4 2575 5829 On 11/04/2007, at 11:38 AM, Tim wrote: On 11/04/2007, at 9:41 AM, Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we’ve been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! Cheers Susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Don't be conned Susie, Who are this group, what have they done in previous forums since 2004. Where was it held last year? Who attended last year? I bet they are selling training courses, seen in links to a business case on the W3C site.. Funny that they are from RMIT yet there is no action at their own University. Multiple page errors. Fix your own Uni pages first. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rmit.edu.au%2F They do have a few different stylesheets, but the changes between them are minor colour changes. I thought Dey Alexander was working with Vision Australia who to me seem to accept low government standards to get training contracts from AGIMO. Following Maquire v Sydney Olympics, who does any legal advocation for the blind apart from myself? This group may want to sell you training contracts. http:// www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html#visaust Bloody hell I work hard on testing Australian sites including Universities who should know better, what is WANAU, what have they done. With a few dollars funding I could review all Australian Universities and have a reference page showing those who fail and why, what else do you need, fund me to complete a review of University webpages and forget the talkfest. Australian sites are in a bad way, few Universities know what accessibility is. http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html ANU fails RMIT fails Sydney Fail Swinburne fails I have done dozens reviews of Australian government websites and advocated a legal position to HREOC. what has WANAU done apart from make a few webpages? Yours Faithfully Tim Anderson The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Thanks Jonathan, They don't sell anything is a good sign, Please pardon my cynical impatience for action. I believe that the only real magic is taking action to promote or even legally (1992 DDA) force change. Shame them and name them, show their validation errors and accessibility flaws. Just don't have too many cucumber sandwiches chatting is my cynical view. For example See my review of the AGIMO award winning sites, a cucumber sandwich festival. My review of Australian UK and USA sites does differ from others? 1) It never finishes and is always being updated. 2) It is a longitudinal study exposing W3C flaws with links anyone can follow to detail the errors. 3) It details errors and accessibility features that could be used What about a page on Australian Universities similar to what I have done for aus.gov.au sites. Wouldn't that be of practical value to shame Aust universities not up to scratch, rather than chatting and more sandwiches? Not just a study which concludes things are not up to scratch, but a page detailing errors and improvement which could be made. Tell me a page on Australian university reviews like my other reviews is not needed but more sandwiches are. Australian government web sites http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html USA sites http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/USAweb.html UK sites http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/UKweb.html Results http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/Results.html Study design http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/WebSurvey.html Bring academic studies into the real internet world, make them available over the web, with suggestions and W3C validation links, help the Universities with constructive criticism. No more sandwiches. Tim On 11/04/2007, at 12:32 PM, Jonathan O'Donnell wrote: Hi Tim The Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities (WANAU) is a volunteer group with no formal structure (that I know of), much like Web Standards Group. It seeks to promote Web accessibility within Australian universities. They run a mailing list [1], forums at universities [2] and generally have a 'birds of a feather' meeting at OZeWAI [3] and possibly other conferences, like AusWeb. WANAU is not from RMIT, although WANAU's 2007 Victorian forum was held at RMIT. [4] I helped organise it and I chaired it. It was well attended, with almost 100 people attending from most (if not all) Victorian universities. People seemed to like it. WANAU do not sell training courses. They don't sell anything, actually. Dey Alexander is an independent consultant. [5] She used to work for Monash University. She probably has worked with Vision Australia in the past. She has completed one review of Australian university Web sites, similar to what you describe [6], and is currently undertaking a second, to update the findings of the first review. The results will be presented this year at AusWeb. [7] [1] WANAU mailing list: http://www.wanau.org/list.html [2] WANAU forums: http://www.wanau.org/forums2007/ [3] OZeWAI conference: http://www.ozewai.org/ [4] 2007 Victorian WANAU forum: http://www.wanau.org/forums2007/melbourne.html [5] Dey Alexander Consulting: http://www.deyalexander.com/ [6] Alexander Dey, 30 Jan 2004, How Accessible Are Australian University Web Sites?, Ariadne 38, http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue38/web-watch/ [7] AusWeb: http://ausweb.scu.edu.au/ -- Jonathan O'Donnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://purl.nla.gov.au/net/jod +61 4 2575 5829 On 11/04/2007, at 11:38 AM, Tim wrote: On 11/04/2007, at 9:41 AM, Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we’ve been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! Cheers Susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Don't be conned Susie, Who are this group, what have they done in previous forums since 2004. Where was it held last year? Who attended last year? I bet they are selling training courses, seen in links to a business case on the W3C site.. Funny that they are from RMIT yet there is no action at their own University. Multiple page errors. Fix your own Uni pages first. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rmit.edu.au%2F They do have a few different stylesheets, but the changes between them are minor colour changes. I thought Dey Alexander was working with Vision Australia who to me seem to accept low government standards to get training contracts from AGIMO.
