Re: [WSG] document.getElementById slow?

Hi Simon, Direct access will always be faster, here's how the methods work: getElementById has to recurse through every child element (the approach of the recursion may vary from browser-to-browser) until it finds an element that matches the id and then it breaks out of the loop and returns the e

Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

Hi Simon, jQuery won't introduce any errors automatically, so unless you tell it to do something that will generate invalid HTML or CSS it will be fine. I assume the same is true of YUI. - Andrew Ingram > Hi, > > Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI ( > http://developer.yahoo.com

Re: [WSG] Padding problems in IE

All appears fine in IE6/Win. Andy. > I have a weird problem with IE. It's not showing the padding for images. > Works fine in Opera and Firefox. > > URL: http://alegeri-locale.stockappletsocale-2004.html > <http://alegeri-locale.stockapplets.com/2/alegeri-loc

Re: [WSG] Semantics and

Hi Blake, Garret Dimmon used for the purpose you are suggesting in his site redesign. He explains his reasoning behind it in this article on digital web (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/coding_for_content/). It's down to personal preference but I think the reasoning is pretty good. Regards

Re: [WSG] Browser Checks

to generate it with a 90% accuracy regarding design and 100% accuracy regarding content.echo "opened $what"; With love Andy --- Registered Linux user number 379093 --- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See htt

Re: [WSG] Browser Checks

t their quircks mode. Your reference to worms is misplaced. Obiviously your opinion differs from mine but that is no reason for insults or insinuations. Andy --- Registered Linux user number 379093 --- ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Help on bug

rver With kind regards Andy --- Feel free to check out these few php utilities that I released under the GPL2 and that are meant for use with a php cli binary: http://www.vlaamse-kern.com/sas/

[WSG] Web Application Accessibility

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[WSG] Web Application Accessibility

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[WSG] Quick accessibility question

Here's a quick (and probably stupid) accessibility question regarding screen readers. Search I assume the a screen reader will read this out as "Search" and not "S earch". Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The

Re: [WSG] Quick accessibility question

he :first-letter pseudo-element selector would probably be a better bet. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

Re: [WSG] Quick accessibility question

least stop mark-up getting in the way. Smartass I hope you're gonna use that for your SkillSwap :-) Andy Budd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posti

Re: [WSG] Mac testers please

Very slick. Nice Marc Greenstock wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could be so kind as to test my site using IE for Mac 5+ and Safari http://www.v2.shockmedia.com.au Thanks. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Recommended Books

dards Accessibility Usability HCI (A study on how people interact with computers)   And ideally, some kind of book on advice on implementing the above across a very large business involving teams seperate design, development and editorial teams. Andy

Re: [WSG] Recommended Books

James Ellis wrote: First taxi off the rank is Andy Budd's book listing at http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat31 - Andy, feel free to update the listing. Cheers James. I probably should add some of my articles as well, shouldn't I? Andy Budd http://www.mess

Re: [WSG] OT - Standards Compliant Websites Directory

A directory is a good idea, however there are quite a few sites doing similar things these days. Somebody could write a bot that validates as it crawls. Then you could have a standards compliant SE. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The

Re: [WSG] Accessability testing

however our client is testing using Bobby and Usablenet, stating these are the 'industry standard'. Is this the case? If not could anyone hit me with a nice list objective comparison? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ***

Re: [WSG] New mobile standards body

an organisation with 100,000 Euro membership fees. Kyle Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

[WSG] Quick Accessibility Quiz

sword). Enjoy Andy Budd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

Re: [WSG] Styling Text... (Andy Budd Accessibility Quiz)

WCAG!? My impression was the opposite. Hi Geoff, How sweet. Obviously it was just meant to be a bit of fun, but I guess you always get one or two party poopers. I'm planning to post up my answers later this evening, so please feel free to come by my site and rip them/me apart in person.

Re: [WSG] OZEWAI 2004 (Australian Web Accessibility Initiative)

o help you out with a new design. Maybe as a portfolio piece? Andy Budd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

Re: [WSG] FW: What do you consider to be the minimum Accessibility level to cover legal requirements?

given in rare circumstances such as dealing with legacy, non standards complaint content management systems. OK, it's not great, but better than writing your own set of criteria. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The disc

[WSG] Sportwear/fashion sites using web standards

Hi Folks, I was just wondering if anybody can point me in the direction of a sportswear or fashion site using web standards? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

Krassy wrote: San Diego, CA here...2 hours south of Marina Del Rey. Blimey, you must drive fast. I spent 2 days driving between San Diego and LA. Sure I did stop off on the way, but even so, 2 hours! Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The

Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

s probably taking the scenic route and keeping within the 55mph speed limit as well, which would explain why it took me so long. Anyway, sorry for the OT banter. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgrou

Re: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc

it isn't so there really is no need for the acronym element Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

Re: [WSG] About the standard Price for our website design .

survey/vid-97627/fid-6886 http://old.alistapart.com/stories/fee/ http://www.allfreelancework.com/articlef1013hourates.php http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/ratesFAQ.html http://provider.com/howtoset.htm Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discu

Re: [WSG] After CSS?

to the DOM as your next adventure in web standards. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

[WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

idth CSS based sites to claim AA compliance if all other priority 1 and 2 checkpoints are met? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm fo

[WSG] Hacks

e you hack free? If you hack, what methods do you use, why do you use that method, and more importantly, why do you need it in the first place? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandard

Re: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

It seems to me that whether you use fixed or flexible layouts there will always be accessibility issues at the extreme ends of screen size. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

Re: [WSG] Hacks

x27;t be fixed by taking a different approach. Of course this often involves changing the mark-up which some people would take issue with. One question I have, Is using a CSS selector that is not support by a certain browser, a hack? Some people think so.. Absolutely not. That's the b

Re: [WSG] Hacks

have saved me huge amount during the rather large learning curve that i started with. Lucky bugger. I tend to take around 20% of my time getting templates 80% finished, and the rest of the time is spent fixing annoyances and discrepancies. Andy Budd http://www.message.u

Re: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

u develop once and then deploy across multiple platforms, however I'm really not sure how realistic this is. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guide

Re: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

rtain times, can include all the other areas I've mentioned. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

Re: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

Lee Roberts wrote: Andy wanted to know what the WCAG working group members had to say about fixed and scalable width layouts. I am a member of the working group. Well, I gave an education and it seems the topic has grown to now include more about mobile devices. The purpose of variable width or

Re: [WSG] pagesauce.com

site for your portfolio, why not offer your services to a charity or not for profit group who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford your design services. That way you'd have a real, working site to show, rather than a standards compliant clone. Andy Budd http://www

Re: [WSG] Are wireframes necessary when using web standards?

ushed version of what you actually want to build. My position them would be to always wireframe and to build prototypes when you have the time/budget. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandard

Re: [WSG] Are wireframes necessary when using web standards?

Showing my ignorance: Don't wireframes show flow only? Like the map view in Dreamweaver? Or is it an actual possible design one creates often in Photoshop, though this article indicated Freehand. Hi Nancy, Think storyboard, only without the graphical elements Andy Budd http://www.message.u

Re: [WSG] guide to CSS inheritance

kes sense to use base 10, which is essentially what John does in his example. And here is the article I assume John Horner was referring to http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/link-specificity.html Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ *

[WSG] RE:Flash 7 CSS/markup update

tandardised wysiwyg editor without having to do dodgy string replacements. The last point is Flash Player 7 footprint.. although this is not really an issue given that something like this would be used to publish markup content for web users.. just have to specify FP7 to the content managers as

[WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers

ral really nice sites designed by aussies and kiwis, many of which I've added to my links list. However I'm always on the lookout for more cool, standards complains sites, so wondered who you guys felt which companies and individuals were turning out the best work do

Re: [WSG] GeoURL/Seach engine localisation

They know you've got loads of cool kit because you blog about it, they know where you live because of your geotags and they know if your not home, and how far away you are from home, because your mobile tells them so. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ *

Re: [WSG] web essentials briefing/ westciv CSS Guide

ussie crew and you've the makings of a great conference. I hope people will be blogging about it, and I'd love to see some of the presentations or even just the keynote streamed for those of us on the other side of the planet :-) If you're based in Oz however you'd be a fool t

Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class

statements don't tend to be so long, I generally don't have a format. I simply put them in the order I write them in. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web

Re: [WSG] web essentials briefing/ westciv CSS Guide

Mark Harwood wrote: Yeah We really need summat like this in the UK! Fancy increasing you GeekEnd's a bit Andy? ;) Well there has been talk so you never know what may be happening next year ;-) Andy Budd ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class

o use on medium sized sites. The problems start occurring if you have very large sites with lost of CSS and different page templates. Then the model starts to break down. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://

[WSG] Web Design Scene in Christchurch

Sorry for the rather random and off topic post, but I wonder if anybody here knows what the web design scene is like in Christchurch, NZ? Are there any particularly well known web design firms for there, especially those working in the web standards arena? Andy Budd

Re: [WSG] Web Design Scene in Christchurch

little one, as far as I know...why Chch? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

Re: [WSG] Mac Tools Kit for Web Standards Developer

://smultron.sourceforge.net/ Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

Re: [WSG][OT] Site Check please

paul west wrote: I want to go there - now!!! Me to! Another nice CSS site added to my bookmarks. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

However if the clients is more interested in cost than quality, there will always be somebody willing to do the job for less. Rather than blame the clients, you probably need to rethink the market you're aiming at. Andy Budd http://www

Re: [WSG] Sometimes you just cant help people ...

putting a para about skip nav links in our accessibility statements along with a description of our accesskeys, compliance goals etc. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Se

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

If you do quality work it takes longer and so costs more. If you do a bodge job it gets done quicker and so costs less. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgrou

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

l your clients on the business benefits you provide. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

Re: [WSG] Standards & Macromedia Contribute

ferent rendering engine on Windoze. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

[WSG] Nav bar rounding error problem

h appreciated. p.s. I have to come clean and admit I've also cross posted this to css-discuss. Hope nobody minds. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] Changing Standard

nchor elements. Your second example targets only anchor elements that haven't been visited! Common guys, rtfm http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#link-pseudo-classes Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] molly gets a redux makeover

Patrick Lauke wrote: "the lovely molly holzschlag gets a makeover courtesy of redux, stylist to the stars. Lol, you make yourself sound like some kind of new media hair dresser. Nice site though. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ *

Re: [WSG] Off-topic - Earthquake/Tsunami help

If you have a blog, why not join BlogAid and offer to donate your site earnings for January to the aid agency of your choice. http://www.blogaid.org.uk/ Andy Budd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

Re: [WSG] Site check www.stgauderic.net/en/

u know that already. Much better to explicitly ask for usability feedback if that was what you wanted. Probably even better to post to a general web dev mailing list or even a usability list. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion lis

Re: [WSG] list spacing

IE5 has a bug that can put extra space between list items. Setting the li to be inline fixes this issue. http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2003/12/ css_crib_sheet_1_gaps_between_vertical_nav_elements_in_ie5/ Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com

Re: [WSG] Can I use a table in a form?

le will come up with spurious arguments simply to justify using a table. If you want to use a table, just do it. For accessibility I'd suggest using a label on each input but hide it visually using one of the standard techniques. Um, how is hiding the label going to improve acce

Re: [WSG] Can I use a table in a form?

On 12 Jan 2005, at 10:47, Mike Foskett wrote: Andy Budd wrote: Personally I'd argue that a form is not a means of displaying tabular data, it's an input mechanism. Er... Agreed. I was of the opinion, perhaps incorrectly, that the form in question was intended to input tabular data

Re: [WSG] Can I use a table in a form?

know what to put into these inputs? Surely each one needs a label of some kind? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

Re: [WSG] Can I use a table in a form?

would be a property of the object. Completely different things! You can come up with as many ways to justify the use of layout tables for forms, but it doesn't make it right! Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The

Re: [WSG] Can I use a table in a form?

from one person at a time like most forms do? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

Re: [WSG] Can I use a table in a form?

issue/tables issue is just a symptom. Always better to treat the cause rather than the symptoms. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cf

Re: [WSG] Can I use a table in a form?

Mike Foskett wrote: Sorry Andy, I'll have to agree to disagree. Personally speaking, the use of a table to layout tabular input is as valid as using a table to layout tabular output. and Kornel Lesinski wrote: I think that inputs in a table are ok. This is tabular data, although not output

Re: [WSG] Can I use a table in a form?

the data are arranged in columns and rows in an essentially rectangular form Form: Document with blanks for the insertion of details or information They seem distinctly different things to me. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The dis

Re: [WSG] Tenth AIMIA Awards announced

On 10 Feb 2004, at 11:03, russ weakley wrote: Well done to Johan, Cameron and Andy for getting it up and running! Andy has written more here: http://www.andybudd.com/blog/archives/000154.html No Worries. Johan deserves most of the credit. All I did was do the MT instillation. Andy Budd http

Re: [WSG] CSS Rules - Naming Conventions

Don't call anything banner. I've done this on several sites only to find some ad blocking software simply filters out elements with this name. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

On 25 Feb 2004, at 09:12, JW wrote: Hi all   I have copied a page from my website and make the DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict just to see the diff btwn transitional and strict. You can see it here http://www.sodesires.com/about/strict.html   Well the xhtml validation shows error but even after reading

Re: [WSG] Styleswitching

ot a fixed rule. We have covered this topic and more recently 'display:none and screen readers' over at www.accessifyforum.com. Kind regards Andy Clarke www.malarkey.co.uk www.karova.com As they serve no informational (arguably) purpose, can I leave the divs blank, or should I

[WSG] CSS Shopping Cart

now of anything like this? Basically what I want is a PHP shopping cart version of MT. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ (p.s. I've posted this to css-discuss as well, so sorry for the cross post) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] css bug & sites css critique

Any ideas why? Im puzzled because the CSS & XHTML 1.0 transitional code validates and all widths are set to 100% with no margins or padding on the top, left, right of any of the page layout DIV's If you set the margin on the body to zero everything goes the way you want it to go, I think. All t

Re: [WSG] problem with footer

loating some 30 px above the bottom of the browser window. Besides that it's spawning a vertical scrollbar in IE6 and Firefoxand Opera. Furthermore the footer stays on resize and that goes for all the browsers I've tested in. Kim -- Andy King Eggs create

Re: [WSG] best ways to "sell" web standards

he end product. Sell the product, and benefits, not the tools. Neerav wrote: When preparing a proposal for a potential client or trying to convince your management, what are the tried and true methods used by WSG members to convince them that coding to web standards is a plus for their organ

Re: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

How about doing a Zen Garden type thing and allow people to skin the WSG site. Just a thought. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] drop down menus

t to worry about IE5 Mac these days, but out of habit, design for 720 as it's nicely divisible by 3 (for 3-col layouts), and then add 10px padding on each side. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://websta

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

Chris Comrade, there are many fantastic resources that deal with converting lists into 'tabbed' navigation. Places to start might be; http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/index.htm http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ http://labs.silverorange.com/archives/2003/september/simplecsst

Re: [WSG] Feedback on site :: color red

Considering the site is about surgery, I'd steer clear of red altogether! Really bad choice there, unless you are deliberately trying to unnerve people and put them off. How about a soothing blue or a clinical green? Andy Budd http://www.message.u

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