The voices are telling me that Lee Roberts said on 7/8/2004 7:45 AM:
JavaScript was created in 1994 by the Netscape Communications Corporation.
Probably worth saying Brendan Eich about here. I believe most folks
credit him with a substantial part of the work.
--
Rev. Bob Bob Crispen
bob at
FYI:
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1086387609order=1count=10
Good read. Hit some points I tried to hit but failed :)
Scott
Scott Barnes wrote:
Hi All,
Firstly thankyou for contributing in this discussion, i know most of
you are probably feeling who is this clown, attacking W3C. This is
not infact
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FYI:
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1086387609order=1count=10
Good read. Hit some points I tried to hit but failed :)
Scott
Scott Barnes wrote:
Hi All,
Firstly
Hugh Todd wrote:
Scott, you said,
If this IS the case, what benefits are we getting as developers for
taking on extra headaches in making it W3C compliant (who by the way
aren't an international elected body - more of a group that have
taken liberty to makeup standards).
Who would elect such a
: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hugh Todd wrote:
Scott, you said,
If this IS the case, what benefits are we getting as developers for
taking on extra
: Future.(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)
Scott, you said,
If this IS the case, what benefits are we getting as developers for
taking on extra headaches in making it W3C compliant (who by the way
aren't an international elected body - more of a group that have taken
liberty
: Future.(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)
Scott wants to know who voted the W3C the ruling authority.
That was me! 20 years on the *net gave me that right.
Seriously, though, who voted the ISO or IETF to be authoritative enough
to
establish rules for people using the Internet and World
Lee Roberts wrote:
Scott wrote:
[quote]I dunno, personally i have set reservations on webstandards being set
and expected to be followed no questions asked. You can join and
contribute ideas to the w3c but i can't find anywhere where i can
participate in some way as to how end decisions get made?
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Sent: 08 July 2004 05:27
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Subject: Future.(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)
Q. I've been on the List
Scott,
Yes, I'll forward that on in a bit, but is this a who you need to
know in order to participate or is it an open forum?
I have to say I think this open forum idea would be so completely
unwieldy as to completely bog down progress for ever. It takes some
time and mental application to even
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Lee Roberts wrote:
Scott wrote:
[quote]I dunno, personally i have set reservations on webstandards
being set and expected to be followed no questions asked. You can join
and contribute ideas to the w3c but i can't find anywhere where i can
participate
Scott Barnes wrote:
I will say that the user of Object tag was a new one for me.. is there
any compatibility issues out there for using it that you know off?
I understand your thinking, and the whole it's the cool thing to do
but it honestly does have its advantages if used correctly. The SEO
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Lee Roberts wrote:
Scott wants to know who voted the W3C the ruling authority.
That was me! 20 years on the *net gave me that right.
Oh so you were the one
Well, to answer that i dare you to walk into any web-based enterprise
that has a DHTML intranet, and say the following words:
Get rid of IFRAMES, and use something else
Wear some padding, as the fall from the window could be high.
Scott Barnes
I think this demonstrates why having the Web vote
Hugh Todd wrote:
I mean, I'm sure the people in the w3c gang are really smart monkeys,
but like all clusters of people, politics could end up driving it
(whether it be some small hidden demon within who voted No on
something purely because the guy who thought it up made a bad XMAS
party joke
Hugh Todd wrote:
Who would elect such a body? Web designers? Governments? Users? The UN?
As it is, we have the major browser manufacturers on board, the guy
who invented the web heading it up, and some of the clearest-thinking,
most far-sighted people in the web community making contributions
Brian,
Just to deny that I wrote this. The attribution belongs to Scott
Barnes, I think. My belief is that the W3C is much more accountable
than Scott seems to imagine.
-Hugh
(Brian Cummiskey wrote:
Hugh Todd wrote:
I mean, I'm sure the people in the w3c gang are really smart monkeys,
but like
Lee: - If we examine the two statements as a computer would, we find a
difference.
Your statement clearly indicates that the book and chapter titles are on
EACH page, meaning both elements. My statement clearly says the book title
is on the left page and the chapter title is on the right page;
Hugh Todd wrote:
Brian,
Just to deny that I wrote this. The attribution belongs to Scott
Barnes, I think. My belief is that the W3C is much more accountable
than Scott seems to imagine.
-Hugh
Opps- Thunderbird handels multiple quoted messages poorly. I blame it
fully for that error :)
PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)Lee Roberts wrote:Scott wants to know who voted the W3C the ruling authority.That was me! 20 years on the *net gave me that right. Oh so you were the one? heheheheSeriously, though, who voted the ISO or IETF to be authoritat
brian cummiskey wrote:
Opps- Thunderbird handels multiple quoted messages poorly. I blame
it fully for that error :) Couldn't possibly be user error :X
That's funny. I usually find it does a better job than most.
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-Original Message-
From: Hugh Todd
Scott, you said,
If this IS the case, what benefits are we getting as developers for
taking on extra headaches in making it W3C compliant (who by the way
aren't an international elected body - more of a group that have taken
liberty to makeup
: RE: Future.(was: Re: [WSG]
iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)
While your giving a history lesson, do you know when Sun first introduced
Java Server Pages. Just need to check someone in not telling fibs on their
CV.
Please
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Well, to answer that i dare you to walk into any web-based enterprise
that has a DHTML intranet, and say the following words:
Get rid
Hi All,
Firstly thankyou for contributing in this discussion, i know most of you
are probably feeling who is this clown, attacking W3C. This is not
infact the case, I am merely trying to get an overall understanding of
why and where bodies like the W3C will be in the future. In doing so i
have
Scott, you said,
for me as a developer to take the W3C seriously, i need at least some
sense of ownership,
Ownership is important, as you say, and this is why I support web
standards. Because it's not just one corporation deciding what to give
us. It's a process of winnowing, from developer
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Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Future.(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)
A few points have been made that Democracy in this case would be a fatal
blow to the overall
Hi Scott,
The process is open. Join W3C, get on a working group and contribute to
you're heart's content. But you'll need to know a lot more than you do now.
No offence but I think you'll be out of your depth just getting out of the
elevator (as I would be).
Scott, you said,
If this IS the case, what benefits are we getting as developers for
taking on extra headaches in making it W3C compliant (who by the way
aren't an international elected body - more of a group that have taken
liberty to makeup standards).
Who would elect such a body? Web
Thanks Brian,
I haven't really gotten into the Devices side of things as of late, and
hand't considered that angle, but I can accept what you've outlined
below. I was just curious as i see a constant you gotta go XHTML but
we aren't following through with some sort of rewards? either technology
scroll a DIV to see all the information.
Sincerely,
Lee Roberts
http://www.roserockdesign.com
http://www.applepiecart.com
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