Re: [Zen] Loserville

2008-11-02 Thread Anthony Wu
No, it is a real colloquial word for gay or lesbian. --- On Sun, 2/11/08, Mac A. Roni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mac A. Roni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Loserville To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 9:49 AM Anthony Wu 14)What do you call a Chinese

Re: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, Sometimes it's great just to do things automatically without being focused on them, that allows one to be mindful of more relevant things. Edgar On Nov 2, 2008, at 4:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jody, You wrote: I think I understand that is the MOTIVATION that is important. If

RE: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-02 Thread BillSmart
Jody, You wrote: I think I understand that is the MOTIVATION that is important. If a person has a driving desire to be a Phd in a subject that interests them, then if the person pursues the subject they are studying with curiousity and they focus on what they are doing today then that is the

Re: [Zen] New poll for Zen_Forum

2008-11-02 Thread Mac A. Roni
Edgar Owen I used to vote Libertarian, I have voted Libertarian, but I have noticed that for President, they seem to scramble to get anyone that can give them attention regardless of how much of a loser the guy is. Their previous choices for President are no less bizarre than Bob Barr.

Re: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-02 Thread Mayka
Hi Mike; Which post regarding hope you're refering to?. Can you copy and paste it here so that I know what are you trying to tell me?. Thanks Mayka --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mayka, The quote you gave below seems to somewhat contradict your

Re: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Mayka, Not completely true. At every moment we are doing 100s or 1000s of things. It is impossible to be focused on them all. There is a big difference between being awake and aware in the moment vs focusing on everything that is happening in that moment which is completely impossible.

Re: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-02 Thread Mayka
Edgar; I believe you that if at every moment you're doing 100 or 1000 you may find difficult to concentrate in what you're doing!. The whole point of the practice of the present moment is breathing in awarenes so that your head is in togetherness with your body and also aware of the

Re: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Mayka, You are missing my point. One's body is always doing many many things at once. One could not exist otherwise. Scores of muscles have to move together to make even the simplest motion. To speak tongue and lips and breath must all move at the same time. No one ever is doing just one

[Zen] Zen Losers

2008-11-02 Thread Jackson Masters
Are most young people that seek enlightenment and buy the Zen books usually losers?? I mean, who hasn't been to the Barnes and Noble bookstores and seen some youth with a scraggly beard (a splotchy hairy face, not really a beard) or some girl with hairy legs and under-arms, sitting there

Re: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-02 Thread mike brown
Hi Mayka, I hope this helps to clarify. You wrote: Third Paragraph; (I've copied everything here because I don't see this in the same way as you do) Jody wrote: Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might aswell dance. I wrote: Again, by hoping for something

Re: [Zen] Zen Losers

2008-11-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Jackson, Even losers have Buddha nature. Try wiping the dust off the mirror! :-) Edgar On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:48 PM, Jackson Masters wrote: Are most young people that seek enlightenment and buy the Zen books usually losers?? I mean, who hasn't been to the Barnes and Noble bookstores and

Re: [Zen] Zen Losers

2008-11-02 Thread mike brown
Hi 'Jackson', Excellent questions, excellent. They're the kind of archetypal questions Jung would have been proud of. Mick El. From: Jackson Masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 3 November, 2008 9:48:35 Subject: [Zen] Zen

RE: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-02 Thread BillSmart
Edgar, You're right about being more 'impromptu'. 'Focused' is a little harsh, it also implies a goal. 'With complete awareness' would have been better. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgar Owen Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:54 PM To:

[Zen] Is SATORI just a fairy tale?

2008-11-02 Thread zatoichi63
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 'With complete awareness' would have been better. With x-ray vision and telekinesis would have been even better. Have you ever considered that this goal you have dedicated your life too is as much a sack of bullshit as Heaven, Angels, and Leprechauns? Chemical scientific

Re: [Zen] Zen Losers

2008-11-02 Thread mike brown
Could say the same about your name too, Al. But if becoming Muslim is what it takes to see Obama win, then by the grace of Allah I'd do it (and I'm not even American). Sue Don Heem (aka Mike) From: zatoichi63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Is SATORI just a fairy tale?

2008-11-02 Thread mike brown
You could be right here. But the question is why has the universe evolved in such a way that we have a consciousness and a physiology that produces these mind-expanding states? I guess if you haven't had such an 'experience' it'd be hard to relate to. Mike.

Re: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-02 Thread Mayka
Good morning Edgar; You're absolutely right the body is always doing many things all at once. The practice is to be aware about what is happening in the body and in the mind and also surroundings. Whether we achieve this or not is a different matter. I have never say that this is an easy