Mike and Joe, ...and, well, okay...Edgar too,
I agree with this. I sit (zazen - shikantaza) about 4 times a week in the
morning for two twenty-minute sessions.
When my schedule is interrupted, especially for a week or so, it doesn't take
too long before I can notice the difference. But as
Hi Bill,
Okay now it's clearer why this premise is rather strange to me.
The fact that he has been a wealthy man without realising it does not change
the fact that he has been a poor man instead. He was living poorly anyway,
whether or not the precious gem was there.
When we don't realise
Bill,
The very fact I'm still posting to this forum demonstrates I have a heart, have
compassion. I take it as part of my Boddhisattva duties
:-)
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 2:04 AM, Bill! wrote:
Joe,
Yes, I saw that. And also I too thought that although it was clumsily-worded
his
Mike,
What bullcrap! How the heck do you claim to know what the Buddha did EVERY day
until he died? You are projecting your attachment to a savior onto a historical
figure about which very little is actually known...
Drop this attachment too and you'll be a lot closer to Zen. If you meet
Bill,
4 hours a week??? That's ALL the zazen you do?
Gosh from the way you talk about sitting being the essence of Zen I expected
you did it every waking moment you could
I guess you are more normal than I had feared!
:-)
EDgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:29 AM, Bill! wrote:
Mike and
Edgar
Thats talking zen . . . posting zen . . . then there is your wrong zen and
you dont understand zen and there is no zen.
Anyway, Bill is right to bring zen back to zazen time and time again . . .
although, as I have experienced different zen teachers, I realize there is
flexibility to
Hey, wait a minute, no old geezer zen? Shit man, I guess I should pack up my
tent and go home.
whack! you are home!
okay . . . where's the remote, let's see what's going on at the Kardashian
zendo . . .
some of the dharma
/\
zendervish
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen
Siska,
I think your suggestion that People should stop searching for anything at all
and stop trying to become anything, including realising Buddha Nature is
correct - as long as they are satisfied with their life as it is now. Most
people however are not satisfied with their life. Buddha
Edgar,
More unorthodox gobbledy-gook!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
More orthodox gobbledy gook!
Zen listens to what reality is saying not what some old geezers said hundreds
of years ago! Even if they said it when they were listening
If you are thinking, you can't understand Zen. Anything that can be written in
a book, anything that can be said all this is thinking ... but if you read
with a mind that has cut off all thinking, then Zen books, sutras and Bibles
are all the truth. So is the barking of a dog or the crowing
Bill
Contextually, using conventional agreed upon consensus building in terms of
Religion, history, cultural, etc . . . I would choose 3 when speaking of
Buddhism in the big picture as taught . . . but we were not talking about this,
Buddhism, Zen Buddhism, etc . . . I used it in, shall we
Bill
I answered this in another post to you. In the way I was using it, was a long
the lines of what you put forth -- is. Number 1.
That is Zen, my humble experience, from my teacher (soto) based upon Great
Heart Wisdom Sutra and Three Treasures -- Buddha, Dharma, Sangah. So I guess
that
Bill,
A new low in total New Age comic book Zen crap!
It's impossible to read with a mind that has cut off all thinking. And most
emphatically NO books are the truth much less ALL books...
I do agree that the barking of a dog or the crowing of the rooster are better
Zen teachings than the
Edgar,
Thank you.
And, right! This is why some others of your unfortunate poisonous
(straightenable!) bent don't appreciate other such music, either, hundreds of
years after the old geezers died, such as the music of Bach, or Locatelli, or
Tallis.
Only the latest scrapings in front of the
Edgar,
After a man has had the cure, only maintenance doses to the proper titration
are needed. The patient knows the level.
For you, there's a space available in the Urgent Care Department, and a
Professional offering you a seat in an empty room with cushions, colored black.
Don't keep him
Salik,
I think in the orthodox understanding of the usage in the Soto sect you mention
it, the meaning of Dharma in Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha is the Teaching of
the Buddha, which Bill! shows as def. #3 from the dictionary contents placed
online for access.
Of course we can understand it as
Edgar,
I'm glad you noticed that about yourself.
There may be hope, All!
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Gosh what a seething mass of attachments!
:-)
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
Thank you.
And, right! This is why some others
Joe,
LOL! You should give me a bow for bringing out all your attachments you need to
work through
As long as you are so obsessively defensive about your attachments you can
never release them...
Seeing the master in all beings and the lesson he teaches is true Zen...
Bridling defensively
Edgar,
You've used that same put-down attempt before, here.
And the same set of denials, for the same purpose.
We can all learn from this spectacle.
That's another thing about (your) ego: it can't be original. It can only
repeat itself. For its purposes.
It cannot even conduce toward the
Joe,
If you take it as a put down you will be put down.
If you take it as a lift up you will be lifted up...
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
You've used that same put-down attempt before, here.
And the same set of denials, for the same purpose.
We can all
Edgar,
Take it as you care to take it, but don't say you're either lifted or lowered
by your own medicine. Your medicine is not what you need.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
If you take it as a put down you will be put down.
If you take it as a lift up you will be lifted
I have read several of his books. Struck me as the sort of man I aspire to
be.
I recall one story that has glancing relevance to the current forum topics
- he was telling some friend of his about a practice he had of closing his
eyes when the attractive young women made obeisance (with
Chris,
What a wimp! Covering his eyes like the monkey because otherwise he can't
control his attachment to female breasts!
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
I have read several of his books. Struck me as the sort of man I aspire to be.
I recall one story that
We are monkeys. Enlightenment does not change our nature.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Feb 21, 2013 1:48 PM, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Chris,
What a wimp! Covering his eyes like the monkey because otherwise he can't
control his attachment to female breasts!
Edgar
On Feb
Dear Chris,
I think you are already that man, sir.
And, ...you can't be too careful.
take good care of yourself,
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
I have read several of his books. Struck me as the sort of man I aspire to
be.
I recall one story that has glancing relevance to the
Edgar,
How little you know and understand.
His WIFE Anne was still living at that time!
;-)
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Chris,
What a wimp! Covering his eyes like the monkey because otherwise he can't
control his attachment to female breasts!
Chris,
The difference is enjoying the beauty of girl's breasts with no attachment or
hiding from reality because you can't face your attachments to them. Big
difference!
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
We are monkeys. Enlightenment does not change our
Joe,
LOL! That has nothing to do with anything...
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
How little you know and understand.
His WIFE Anne was still living at that time!
;-)
--Joe
Edgar Owen wrote:
Chris,
What a wimp! Covering his eyes like the monkey
Joe,
LOL! A hen-pecked Zen master?
No such thing...
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
How little you know and understand.
His WIFE Anne was still living at that time!
;-)
--Joe
Edgar Owen wrote:
Chris,
What a wimp! Covering his eyes like the
Seems lowering one's eyes at certain moments when alone with students is a
perfectly suited response to attachments. For monkeys, can't speak for
others.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Feb 21, 2013 2:04 PM, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Chris,
The difference is enjoying the beauty
Edgar,
A respectful one.
He still had someone at home to be respectful toward, and with.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
LOL! A hen-pecked Zen master?
No such thing...
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have
Chris,
Monkeys, yes.
Let's see what the Donkey says (I'll keep out of this). ;-)
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
Seems lowering one's eyes at certain moments when alone with students is a
perfectly suited response to attachments. For monkeys, can't speak for
others.
Group,
A few weeks ago, the topic of near-death experience was gone into briefly here,
and real-life experience was recommended. It was a good thread.
Today I heard an interview on radio with an MD very active in the field of
resuscitation and study of the dying brain.
For reasons he
breasts..goodness me...go to a nudist camp...plenty of exposed breast there...
and plenty of zen too...merle
Chris,
The difference is enjoying the beauty of girl's breasts with no attachment or
hiding from reality because you can't face your attachments to them. Big
difference!
Edgar
who's anne??? merle
Edgar,
How little you know and understand.
His WIFE Anne was still living at that time!
;-)
--Joe
Edgar Owen wrote:
Chris,
What a wimp! Covering his eyes like the monkey because otherwise he can't
control his attachment to female breasts!
is bill!! awakened totally and fully?...merle
Joe,
Gosh what a seething mass of attachments!
:-)
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
Thank you.
And, right! This is why some others of your unfortunate poisonous
(straightenable!) bent don't appreciate other
Joe
Agreed, the word Dharma is at best introductory, a basic perception . . .
I don't have time to look for it, maybe someone has it at their disposal the
zen story about rivers and mountains being mountains, then rivers and mountains
not being mountains, and then rivers and mountains being
Edgar
Are you a teacher?
/\
zendervish
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
LOL! You should give me a bow for bringing out all your attachments you need
to work through
As long as you are so obsessively defensive about your attachments you can
we can talk the talk however can we walk the walk ?
sitting on soft silky cushions...so the derriere does not feel the pain is this
zen?
and as for handwoven mats...well well...they too are not zen nor is the
incense
if you sit for 5 mins or 300 mins..or days in silent retreats
Joe
Not to get into the fray here with this sort of content, however, something you
reminded me of.
One of my favorite Sufi sayings was given to me years ago by a Sufi named
Shaykh Abdul Haqq. He was a kind of a stand up Naqshbandi Shaykh, in terms
being jovial, nonchalant, and gregarious.
life is meditation in practise!..merle
Joe
Agreed, the word Dharma is at best introductory, a basic perception . . .
I don't have time to look for it, maybe someone has it at their disposal the
zen story about rivers and mountains being mountains, then rivers and mountains
not being
To those that are open...
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 7:00 PM, salik888 wrote:
Edgar
Are you a teacher?
/\
zendervish
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
Joe,
LOL! You should give me a bow for bringing out all your attachments you
need to work
Hi, Merle,
Robert Aitken Roshi's Anne. Anne Aitken.
Anne was a Master of the Diamond Sangha, also, but did not wear the title.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
who's anne??? merle
Edgar,
How little you know and understand.
His WIFE Anne was still living at that
Salik,
Hang around if you can, the water's usually fine. Unless you're just headed
off to work at this hour, or something. Another Sufi pair of wings is most
welcome.
Pls. take good care of yourself!
Aloha; Salam,
--Joe
salik888 novelidea8@... wrote:
Joe
Agreed, the word Dharma is
Merle,
And you've had my answer 19 1/2 times.
Practice is for daily life.
So is awakening. Why limit yourself?, and what you can do.
I'm not the only broken record here. You are stuck in a groove too.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
we can talk the talk however can we walk
Merle,
T'ai chi is moving-meditation.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
life is meditation in practise!..merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
* To
Edgar,
Those that, yes; not those who.
[-(
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
To those that are open...
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 7:00 PM, salik888 wrote:
Edgar
Are you a teacher?
/\
zendervish
Current Book Discussion:
Dear Merle, and Group-ies,
THERE'S a Sister who's never sat!!!
Not bragging... just saying.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
sitting on soft silky cushions...so the derriere does not feel the pain is
this zen?
Current Book
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existed or not. But I still see you think meditation only consists of sitting
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In my Soto (actually Maezumi lineage so mixed ( training Dharma is taught
as reality.
The third Bodhisatva vow being
Reality is boundless, I vow to perceive it.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Feb 21, 2013 4:29 PM, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote:
Salik,
Hang around if you can, the
Mike,
Like you, I too believe that the historical Buddha... -- as far as the annals
of History can accurately go -- ...spent the remainder of his life after
awakening in endless samadhi. Who knows how he maintained it and perpetuated
it. It's true we don't know what his practice was or how
Mike,
It's documented that the Buddha's first meal to break his fast from his
fruitless ascetic practice and with which to begin his 'middle-way' days
practice was to accept milk from the passing milk-maid, Sujata.
(Granted, it may have come from cows' udders).
Otherwise, we might all be
ah !..thank you joe..merle
Hi, Merle,
Robert Aitken Roshi's Anne. Anne Aitken.
Anne was a Master of the Diamond Sangha, also, but did not wear the title.
--Joe
Merle Lester wrote:
who's anne??? merle
Edgar,
How little you know and understand.
His WIFE Anne was still
i have read the sufism as well back in mid 80's... i saw the dervish dancers
in early 2000... i am familiar with their insights and at one stage considered
them the ants pants... and would have given my right arm to discuss sufism...
merle
Salik,
Hang around if you can, the water's
joe..
thank you for your never ending patience...
you are forever challenging me to aim higher..
this is good...
many thanks..
enjoy your evening
merle
Merle,
And you've had my answer 19 1/2 times.
Practice is for daily life.
So is awakening. Why limit yourself?, and what you can do.
indeed joe..and in answering your post..no the tai teacher is not going to
sit in meditation with me..he is a busy teacher...and time is precious for
him..he has other classes..and also teaching nordic walking... and does
massage..so very busy...i must sit and do my own practise...and how
sit on a wooden floor... why the soft silky cushions?..sit in the long green
grass..sit on sand...why in a room with no fresh air and billowing white
clouds and blue sky above?..merle
Dear Merle, and Group-ies,
THERE'S a Sister who's never sat!!!
Not bragging... just
no head..interesting..our ancestors from the murky pond of life had no
head?..merle
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disagree mike...
edgar is way beyond
sitting on a billowing fluffy white cloud in the bluest of blue skies
Mongolian style
observing the antics...
merle
Edgar,
It doesn't even matter to me whether the historical Buddha existed or not. But
I still see you think meditation only
group... woh! all that group awakening...sounds suspicious...i don't believe it
for one second..why is the world so f then?..merle
Mike,
Like you, I too believe that the historical Buddha... -- as far as the annals
of History can accurately go -- ...spent the remainder of his life after
how sweet ...
jesus went into the wilderness and hence no food passed his lips..
did he partake of god's ale?..
many a culture practises these forms of achieving higher states of
consciousness and awareness
so?
merle
Mike,
It's documented that the Buddha's first meal to break his
joe you are very conscientious with a determined character... great!...all is
taken aboard..it doeth not fall on deaf ears... merle
Mike,
Dang; yeah.
Even after I wrote up a sincere spiel for our dear Artist cousin about the
visual changes one may notice within a program of
my two bits is it's all in the mind!..merle
Hi Bill,
Okay now it's clearer why this premise is rather strange to me.
The fact that he has been a wealthy man without realising it does not change
the fact that he has been a poor man instead. He was living poorly anyway,
whether or not the
dearest cousin joe how kind you are...
so evangelical...
always and forever pointing the way as if you believe i am a lost sheep.
you are the good shepherd..
why are you so convinced i need help?... i
s my vision so poor?
why must i go to a zen group?...
circumstances ( and yes
Merle,
Merle scrib(bl)ed:
...and how do you know i am not already witnessing the visuals?
You said you were not seeing yellow. You were surprised the red Outback could
look like Fort Knox.
And you did not mention the Sweet Saliva (ask the Taoist meditation teacher).
--Joe
Merle Lester
Merle,
Spine needs proper support. Ask a meditation teacher.
Or a meditator.
There is no soft, no silky.
Fresh air in the room, be sure.
I say again:
THERE'S a Sister who's never sat!!!
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
sit on a wooden floor... why the soft silky
Merle,
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
disagree mike...
edgar is way beyond
sitting on a billowing fluffy white cloud in the bluest of blue skies
Mongolian style
observing the antics...
And farting; farting; farting.
--Joe
Current Book
Merle,
You must answer.
Start your practice now.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
group... woh! all that group awakening...sounds suspicious...i don't believe
it for one second..why is the world so f then?..merle
Current Book Discussion:
Merle,
Can you follow a thread?
Mike mentioned tits.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
how sweet ...
jesus went into the wilderness and hence no food passed his lips..
did he partake of god's ale?..
many a culture practises these forms of achieving higher states of
Merle,
So we shouldn't send the horses overboard in the doldrums?
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe you are very conscientious with a determined character... great!...all is
taken aboard..it doeth not fall on deaf ears... merle
Current
Merle,
If you weren't interested in the yellow, and the gold, then you should not have
asked.
I'll take your teaching about the breath, now, and will not waste it.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
dearest cousin joe how kind you are...
so evangelical...
always and forever
Well, I will take that as a yes . . . big responsibility, knowing and teaching
and all that jazz
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zendervish
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
To those that are open...
Edgar
On Feb 21, 2013, at 7:00 PM, salik888 wrote:
Edgar
Are you a
clarify joe i have seen the golden light...is that not yellow at it's
best?..merle
Merle,
Merle scrib(bl)ed:
...and how do you know i am not already witnessing the visuals?
You said you were not seeing yellow. You were surprised the red Outback could
look like Fort Knox.
And you
so. joe..is that beyond your dignity?..merle
Merle,
Merle Lester wrote:
disagree mike...
edgar is way beyond
sitting on a billowing fluffy white cloud in the bluest of blue skies
Mongolian style
observing the antics...
And farting; farting; farting.
--Joe
joe answer what?..merle
Merle,
You must answer.
Start your practice now.
--Joe
Merle Lester wrote:
group... woh! all that group awakening...sounds suspicious...i don't believe
it for one second..why is the world so f then?..merle
please clarify joe...merle
Merle,
So we shouldn't send the horses overboard in the doldrums?
--Joe
Merle Lester wrote:
joe you are very conscientious with a determined character... great!...all is
taken aboard..it doeth not fall on deaf ears... merle
a thread...?..a stitch in time saves nine?... a thread as in cloth?..merle
Merle,
Can you follow a thread?
Mike mentioned tits.
--Joe
Merle Lester wrote:
how sweet ...
jesus went into the wilderness and hence no food passed his lips..
did he partake of god's ale?..
many a
light entertainment for those who dare..merle
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those who know
that enough is enough
will always have enough
~~ lao tzu
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