Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS problems

2006-11-18 Thread Toby Thain
On 18-Nov-06, at 2:01 PM, Bill Moore wrote: Hi Michael. Based on the output, there should be no user-visible file corruption. ZFS saw a bunch of checksum errors on the disk, but was able to recover in every instance. While 2-disk RAID-Z is really a fancy (and slightly more expensive,

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs corrupted my data!

2006-11-28 Thread Toby Thain
On 28-Nov-06, at 7:02 PM, Elizabeth Schwartz wrote: On 11/28/06, Frank Cusack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect this will be the #1 complaint about zfs as it becomes more popular. It worked before with ufs and hw raid, now with zfs it says my data is corrupt! zfs sux0rs! That's not the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-11-28 Thread Toby Thain
On 28-Nov-06, at 10:01 PM, Elizabeth Schwartz wrote: Well, I fixed the HW but I had one bad file, and the problem was that ZFS was saying delete the pool and restore from tape when, it turns out, the answer is just find the file with the bad inode, delete it, clear the device and scrub.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: zfs corrupted my data!

2006-11-29 Thread Toby Thain
On 29-Nov-06, at 8:53 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 10:48:46PM -0500, Toby Thain wrote: Her original configuration wasn't redundant, so she should expect this kind of manual recovery from time to time. Seems a logical conclusion to me? Or is this one of those once

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: system wont boot after zfs

2006-11-29 Thread Toby Thain
On 29-Nov-06, at 9:30 AM, David Elefante wrote: I had the same thing happen to me twice on my x86 box. I installed ZFS (RaidZ) on my enclosure with four drives and upon reboot the bios hangs upon detection of the newly EFI'd drives. ... This seems to me to be a serious problem.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-01 Thread Toby Thain
On 1-Dec-06, at 6:29 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 1, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Al Hopper wrote: Followup: When you say you fixed the HW, I'm curious as to what you found and if this experience with ZFS convinced you that your trusted RAID H/W did, in fact, have issues? Do you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-01 Thread Toby Thain
On 1-Dec-06, at 6:36 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 1, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Dana H. Myers wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 1, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Al Hopper wrote: Followup: When you say you fixed the HW, I'm curious as to what you found and if this experience

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-02 Thread Toby Thain
On 2-Dec-06, at 12:56 PM, Al Hopper wrote: On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 6:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While other file systems, when they become corrupt, allow you to salvage data :-) They allow you to salvage what you *think* is your

Re: [zfs-discuss] Uber block corruption?

2006-12-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Dec-06, at 9:46 AM, George Wilson wrote: Also note that the UB is written to every vdev (4 per disk) so the chances of all UBs being corrupted is rather low. Furthermore the time window where UBs are mutually inconsistent would be very short, since they'd be updated together?

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-20 Thread Toby Thain
On 19-Dec-06, at 11:51 AM, Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:15, Torrey McMahon wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 07:17, Roch - PAE wrote: Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and SE 3511

2006-12-20 Thread Toby Thain
On 18-Dec-06, at 11:18 PM, Matt Ingenthron wrote: Mike Seda wrote: Basically, is this a supported zfs configuration? Can't see why not, but support or not is something only Sun support can speak for, not this mailing list. You say you lost access to the array though-- a full disk failure

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and SE 3511

2006-12-20 Thread Toby Thain
On 19-Dec-06, at 2:42 PM, Jason J. W. Williams wrote: I do see this note in the 3511 documentation: Note - Do not use a Sun StorEdge 3511 SATA array to store single instances of data. It is more suitable for use in configurations where the array has a backup or archival role. My

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: RAIDZ2 vs. ZFS RAID-10

2007-01-05 Thread Toby Thain
... If the block checksums show OK, then reading the parity for the corresponding data yields no additional useful information. It would yield useful information about the status of the parity information on disk. The read would be done because you're already paying the penalty for reading all

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-08 Thread Toby Thain
On 8-Jan-07, at 11:54 AM, Jason J. W. Williams wrote: ...We're trying to recompile MySQL to give a stacktrace and core file to track down exactly why its crashing...hopefully it will illuminate if memory truly is the issue. If you're using the Enterprise release, can't you get MySQL's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Why is + not allowed in a ZFS file system name ?

2007-01-10 Thread Toby Thain
On 10-Jan-07, at 5:29 PM, roland wrote: # zpool create 500megpool /home/roland/tmp/500meg.dat cannot create '500megpool': name must begin with a letter pool name may have been omitted huh? ok - no problem if special characters aren`t allowed, but why _this_ weird looking limitaton ?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: External drive enclosures + Sun Server for massstorage

2007-01-20 Thread Toby Thain
On 20-Jan-07, at 8:48 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: Frank Cusack wrote: On January 20, 2007 1:07:27 PM -0800 David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On that note, I've recently read it might be the case that the 1u sun servers do not have hot-swappable disk drives... is this really true?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: External drive enclosures + Sun Server for massstorage

2007-01-20 Thread Toby Thain
On 21-Jan-07, at 12:12 AM, Rich Teer wrote: On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Richard Elling wrote: To be clear, Sun defines hot swap as a device which can be inserted or removed without system administration tasks required. Sun defines hot plug as a device which can be inserted or removed without

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: External drive enclosures + Sun Server for massstorage

2007-01-22 Thread Toby Thain
On 22-Jan-07, at 5:28 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: In short, the release note is confusing, so ignore it. Use x2100 disks as hot pluggable like you've always used hot plug disks in Solaris. Won't work - some of us have tested it. Again, NO these drives are not hot pluggable and the release

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: External drive enclosures + Sun Server for massstorage

2007-01-22 Thread Toby Thain
confused customers :-( Toby Thain wrote: To be clear: the X2100 drives are neither hotswap nor hotplug under Solaris. Replacing a failed drive requires a reboot. I do not believe this is true, though I don't have one to test. This error has been sufficiently addressed in later posts, I think

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2100 not hotswap, was Re: External drive enclosures + Sun Server for massstorage

2007-01-23 Thread Toby Thain
On 23-Jan-07, at 4:51 PM, Bart Smaalders wrote: Frank Cusack wrote: yes I am an experienced Solaris admin and know all about devfsadm :-) and the older disks command. It doesn't help in this case. I think it's a BIOS thing. Linux and Windows can't see IDE drives that aren't there at boot

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2100 not hotswap, was Re: External drive enclosures + Sun Server for massstorage

2007-01-25 Thread Toby Thain
On 25-Jan-07, at 5:09 AM, Frank Cusack wrote: On January 23, 2007 8:11:24 PM -0200 Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still, would be nice for those of us who bought them. And judging by other posts on this thread it seems just about everyone assumes hotswap just works. hot *plug

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: can I use zfs on just a partition?

2007-01-25 Thread Toby Thain
On 25-Jan-07, at 3:56 PM, Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Tim, Thursday, January 25, 2007, 4:44:34 PM, you wrote: TC I guess I should clarify what I'm doing. TC Essentially I'd like to have the / and swap on the first 60GB of TC the disk. Then use the remaining 100GB as a zfs partition to TC

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-26 Thread Toby Thain
On 26-Jan-07, at 7:29 PM, Selim Daoud wrote: it would be good to have real data and not only guess ot anecdots this story about wrong blocks being written by RAID controllers sounds like the anti-terrorism propaganda we are leaving in: exagerate the facts to catch everyone's attention .It's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: How much do we really want zpool remove?

2007-01-26 Thread Toby Thain
Oh - and the accounting folks love it when you tell them there's no ongoing cost of ownership - because Joe Screwdriver can swap out a failed Seagate 500Gb SATA drive after he picks up a replacement from Frys on his lunch break! Why do people think this will work? I never could figure it

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs rewrite?

2007-01-26 Thread Toby Thain
On 26-Jan-07, at 11:34 PM, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: Hi. What do you guys think about implementing 'zfs/zpool rewrite' command? It'll read every block older than the date when the command was executed and write it again (using standard ZFS COW mechanism, simlar to how resilvering works,

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs rewrite?

2007-01-27 Thread Toby Thain
On 27-Jan-07, at 4:57 AM, Frank Cusack wrote: On January 27, 2007 12:27:17 AM -0200 Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26-Jan-07, at 11:34 PM, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: 3. I created file system with huge amount of data, where most of the data is read-only. I change my server from intel

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-27 Thread Toby Thain
On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: We had in flight data corruption that EMC faithfully wrote just like NetApp would in your case. Everybody is assuming that corruption or data loss occurs only on disks, it can happen everywhere. In a datacenter SAN you've so many more

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-27 Thread Toby Thain
On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother points out that you can use a rad hardened CPU. ECC

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Toby Thain
On 28-Jan-07, at 7:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother

[zfs-discuss] hot spares - in standby?

2007-01-29 Thread Toby Thain
Hi, This is not exactly ZFS specific, but this still seems like a fruitful place to ask. It occurred to me today that hot spares could sit in standby (spun down) until needed (I know ATA can do this, I'm supposing SCSI does too, but I haven't looked at a spec recently). Does anybody do

Re: [zfs-discuss] hot spares - in standby?

2007-01-29 Thread Toby Thain
On 29-Jan-07, at 9:04 PM, Al Hopper wrote: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Toby Thain wrote: Hi, This is not exactly ZFS specific, but this still seems like a fruitful place to ask. It occurred to me today that hot spares could sit in standby (spun down) until needed (I know ATA can do this, I'm

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thumper Origins Q

2007-01-30 Thread Toby Thain
On 30-Jan-07, at 5:48 PM, Richard Elling wrote: ... One of the benefits of ZFS is that not only is head synchronization not needed, but also block offsets do not have to be the same. For example, in a traditional mirror, block 1 on device 1 is paired with block 1 on device 2. In ZFS,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Implementing fbarrier() on ZFS

2007-02-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Feb-07, at 5:55 PM, Frank Hofmann wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Peter Schuller wrote: Hello, Often fsync() is used not because one cares that some piece of data is on stable storage, but because one wants to ensure the subsequent I/O operations are performed after previous I/O

Re: [zfs-discuss] File System Filter Driver??

2007-02-26 Thread Toby Thain
On 26-Feb-07, at 11:32 PM, Richard Elling wrote: Rayson Ho wrote: NT kernel has the filter driver framework: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver/filterdrv/default.mspx It seems to be useful for things like FS encrytion and compression... is there any plan to implement something similar in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Efficiency when reading the same file blocks

2007-02-28 Thread Toby Thain
On 28-Feb-07, at 6:43 PM, Erblichs wrote: ZFS Group, My two cents.. Currently, in my experience, it is a waste of time to try to guarantee exact location of disk blocks with any FS. ? Sounds like you're confusing logical location with physical location,

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Toby Thain
On 11-Mar-07, at 11:12 PM, Ayaz Anjum wrote: HI ! Well as per my actual post, i created a zfs file as part of Sun cluster HAStoragePlus, and then disconned the FC cable, since there was no active IO hence the failure of disk was not detected, then i touched a file in the zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Mar-07, at 11:28 AM, Malachi de AElfweald wrote: ZFS supports swap to /dev/vzol, however, I do not have data related to performance. Also note that ZFS does not support dump yet, see RFE 5008936. I am getting ready to install a new server from scratch. While I had been hoping to do a

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Mar-07, at 2:37 PM, Bart Smaalders wrote: Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Hi Brian, To my understanding the X2100 M2 and X2200 M2 are basically the same board OEM'd from Quanta...except the 2200 M2 has two sockets. As to ZFS and their weirdness, it would seem to me that fixing it would be

Re: [zfs-discuss] File level snapshots in ZFS?

2007-03-30 Thread Toby Thain
On 29-Mar-07, at 5:43 PM, Richard Elling wrote: Atul Vidwansa wrote: Hi Richard, I am not talking about source(ASCII) files. How about versioning production data? I talked about file level snapshots because snapshotting entire filesystem does not make sense when application is changing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Contents of transaction group?

2007-04-09 Thread Toby Thain
On 9-Apr-07, at 8:15 AM, Atul Vidwansa wrote: Hi, I have few questions about the way a transaction group is created. 1. Is it possible to group transactions related to multiple operations in same group? For example, an rmdir foo followed by mkdir bar, can these end up in same transaction

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Toby Thain
On 11-Apr-07, at 8:25 PM, Ignatich wrote: Rich Teer writes: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Rayson Ho wrote: Why does everyone need to be compatible with Linux?? Why not Linux changes its license and be compatible with *BSD and Solaris?? I agree with this sentiment, but the reality is that changing

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 12:15 AM, Rayson Ho wrote: On 4/11/07, Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license as equally as Sun, or any other copyright holder, does? Hey

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 1:01 AM, Rich Teer wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license as equally as Sun, or any other copyright holder, does? Read what I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 8:34 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ignatich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling writes: There is a lot of missunderstandings with the GPL. Porting ZFS to Linux wouldnotmake ZFS a derived work from Linux. I do not see why anyone could claim that there is a need to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 1:02 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: ... Which is funny considering how many GPL projects *love* the fact that BSD-licensed code is easily integrable with their project, yet don't want to give others the same benefit. That's a pointless remark. Why? BSD licensors choose that

Re: [zfs-discuss] quickly move files in different zfs in same zpool

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 3:40 PM, Sean Liu wrote: In good'ol days if you are moving file/files in the same UFS, it's a snap as the moving is only a change in dir/inode level. Since zfs encourages creating more filesystems instead of dirs, moving can be an issue - data must be moved around instead

Re: [zfs-discuss] quickly move files in different zfs in same zpool

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 7:42 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On April 12, 2007 7:10:34 PM -0300 Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12-Apr-07, at 3:40 PM, Sean Liu wrote: In good'ol days if you are moving file/files in the same UFS, it's a snap as the moving is only a change in dir/inode level

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 7:21 PM, Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: Individually, Linux contributors have every right to retain their choice of license for software they produce. But given the viral nature of the GPL, Is it worth reading the rest of your post

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 11:51 PM, Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: Those who promulgate the tag for whatever motive - often agencies of Microsoft - have all foundered on the simple fact that the GPL applies ONLY to MY code as licensor (*and modifications thereto*); it has

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Toby Thain
On 13-Apr-07, at 9:51 AM, Al Hopper wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: On 12-Apr-07, at 11:51 PM, Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: Those who promulgate the tag for whatever motive - often agencies of Microsoft - have all foundered on the simple fact

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Toby Thain
On 13-Apr-07, at 11:39 AM, Rich Teer wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: IMHO, this is a faulty conclusion. And I disagree. So we'll have to agree to disagree. The interesting use case of contributing, and I think the one that spurred the creation of the GPL, is I use

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS for Linux (NO LISCENCE talk, please)

2007-04-17 Thread Toby Thain
It seems that there are other reasons for the Linux kernel folks for not liking ZFS. I certainly don't understand why they ignore it. How can one have a Storage and File Systems Workshop in 2007 without ZFS dominating the agenda?? http://lwn.net/Articles/226351/ That long fscks should

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on the desktop

2007-04-17 Thread Toby Thain
On 17-Apr-07, at 12:15 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Apr 17, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Toby Thain wrote: On 17-Apr-07, at 8:33 AM, Robert Milkowski wrote: ... I belive that ZFS definitely belongs on a desktop, Apple (and I) assuredly agree with you. I would agree as well

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on the desktop

2007-04-17 Thread Toby Thain
On 17-Apr-07, at 1:08 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Toby Thain wrote: On 17-Apr-07, at 12:15 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Apr 17, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Toby Thain wrote: On 17-Apr-07, at 8:33 AM, Robert Milkowski wrote: ... I belive

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on the desktop

2007-04-17 Thread Toby Thain
On 17-Apr-07, at 1:24 PM, Rayson Ho wrote: On 4/17/07, Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same here. I think anyone who dismisses ZFS as being inappropriate for desktop use (who needs access to Petabytes of space in their desktop machine?!) doesn't get it. Well, for many of those who

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS for Linux (NO LISCENCE talk, please)

2007-04-17 Thread Toby Thain
On 17-Apr-07, at 10:56 AM, James C. McPherson wrote: Toby Thain wrote: It seems that there are other reasons for the Linux kernel folks for not liking ZFS. I certainly don't understand why they ignore it. How can one have a Storage and File Systems Workshop in 2007 without ZFS

[zfs-discuss] ZFS on the desktop

2007-04-17 Thread Toby Thain
On 17-Apr-07, at 8:33 AM, Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Rayson, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 10:50:41 AM, you wrote: RH On 4/17/07, David R. Litwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about asking Microsoft to change Shared Source first?? Let's leave ms out of this, eh? :-) RH While ZFS is nice, I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on the desktop

2007-04-17 Thread Toby Thain
On 17-Apr-07, at 2:00 PM, Rayson Ho wrote: On 4/17/07, Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OS X tends to effectively elide the book larning part of using UNIX. I don't think ZFS would be any exception - they won't ship until you don't even know it's there. But then, I have helped people

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS for Linux (NO LISCENCE talk, please)

2007-04-17 Thread Toby Thain
On 17-Apr-07, at 10:54 PM, Wee Yeh Tan wrote: On 4/17/07, David R. Litwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/04/07, Wee Yeh Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/17/07, David R. Litwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, it comes to this: Why, precisely, can ZFS not be released under a License which

Re: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

2007-04-18 Thread Toby Thain
On 18-Apr-07, at 5:22 PM, J.P. King wrote: Can we discuss this with a few objectives ? Like define backup and then describe mechanisms that may achieve one? Or a really big question that I guess I have to ask, do we even care anymore? /lurk Personally I think you would benefit from some

Re: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

2007-04-20 Thread Toby Thain
On 20-Apr-07, at 5:54 AM, Tim Thomas wrote: Hi Wee I run a setup of SAM-FS for our main file server and we loved the backup/restore parts that you described. That is great to hear. The main concerns I have with SAM fronting the entire conversation is data integrity. Unlike ZFS, SAMFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] XServe Raid Complex Storage Considerations

2007-04-25 Thread Toby Thain
On 25-Apr-07, at 12:17 PM, cedric briner wrote: hello the list, After reading the _excellent_ ZFS Best Practices Guide, I've seen in the section: ZFS and Complex Storage Consideration that we should configure the storage system to ignore command which will flush the memory into the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread Toby Thain
On 4-May-07, at 6:53 PM, Al Hopper wrote: ... [1] it continues to amaze me that many sites, large or small, don't have a (written) policy for mechanical component replacement - whether disk drives or fans. You're not the only one. In fact, while I'm not exactly talking enterprise level

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Motley group of discs?

2007-05-05 Thread Toby Thain
On 5-May-07, at 2:07 AM, MC wrote: That's a lot of talking without an answer :) internal EIDE 320GB (boot drive), internal 250, 200 and 160 GB drives, and an external USB 2.0 600 GB drive. So, what's the best zfs configuration in this situation? RAIDZ uses disk space like RAID5. So the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-May-07, at 3:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lee, You can decide whether you want to use ZFS for a root file system now. You can find this info here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/ Bearing in mind that his machine is a G4 PowerPC. When Solaris 10 is ported to this

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs? (doing it right, or right now)

2007-05-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-May-07, at 5:27 PM, Andy Lubel wrote: I think it will be in the next.next (10.6) OSX, baselessSpeculation Well, the iPhone forced a few months schedule slip, perhaps *instead of* dropping features? /baselessSpeculation Mind you I wouldn't be particularly surprised if ZFS wasn't in

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Storage Pools Recommendations for Productive Environments

2007-05-09 Thread Toby Thain
On 9-May-07, at 4:45 AM, Andreas Koppenhoefer wrote: Hello, solaris Internals wiki contains many interesting things about zfs. But i have no glue about the reasons for this entry: In Section ZFS Storage Pools Recommendations - Storage Pools you can read: [i]For all production environments,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Resilvering speed?

2007-05-10 Thread Toby Thain
On 9-May-07, at 3:44 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Mario, Wednesday, May 9, 2007, 5:56:18 PM, you wrote: MG I've read that it's supposed to go at full speed, i.e. as fast as MG possible. I'm doing a disk replace and what zpool reports kind of MG surprises me. The

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Reading a ZFS Snapshot

2007-05-18 Thread Toby Thain
On 18-May-07, at 1:57 PM, William D. Hathaway wrote: An example would be if you had a raw snapshot on tape. Unless I misunderstand ZFS, you can archive the contents of a snapshot, but there's no concept of a 'raw snapshot' divorced from a filesystem. A single file or subset of files

Re: [zfs-discuss] Trying to understand zfs RAID-Z

2007-05-18 Thread Toby Thain
On 18-May-07, at 4:39 PM, Ian Collins wrote: David Bustos wrote: ... maybe Sun should make more of the cost savings in storage ZFS offers to gain a cost advantage over the competition, Cheaper AND more robust+featureful is hard to beat. --T ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS - Use h/w raid or not? Thoughts. Considerations.

2007-05-22 Thread Toby Thain
On 22-May-07, at 11:01 AM, Louwtjie Burger wrote: On 5/22/07, Pål Baltzersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if your HW-RAID-controller dies? in say 2 years or more.. What will read your disks as a configured RAID? Do you know how to (re)configure the controller or restore the config without

Re: [zfs-discuss] ditto blocks

2007-05-24 Thread Toby Thain
On 24-May-07, at 6:26 AM, Henk Langeveld wrote: Richard Elling wrote: It all depends on the configuration. For a single disk system, copies should generally be faster than mirroring. For multiple disks, the performance should be similar as copies are spread out over different disks.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Need guidance on RAID 5, ZFS, and RAIDZ on home file server

2007-05-24 Thread Toby Thain
On 24-May-07, at 6:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right of course and lots of people use them. My point is that Solaris has been 64 bits lon ger then most others. ... IRIX was much earlier than Solaris; Solaris was pretty late in the 64 bit game

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS - Use h/w raid or not? Thoughts. Considerations.

2007-05-25 Thread Toby Thain
On 25-May-07, at 1:22 AM, Torrey McMahon wrote: Toby Thain wrote: On 22-May-07, at 11:01 AM, Louwtjie Burger wrote: On 5/22/07, Pål Baltzersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if your HW-RAID-controller dies? in say 2 years or more.. What will read your disks as a configured RAID? Do you

Re: [zfs-discuss] I seem to have backed myself into a corner - how do I migrate filesystems from one pool to another?

2007-05-25 Thread Toby Thain
On 25-May-07, at 7:28 PM, John Plocher wrote: ... I found that the V440's original 72Gb drives had been upgraded to Dell 148Gb Fujitsu drives, and the Sun versions of those drives (same model number...) had different firmware You can't get hold of another one of the same drive? --Toby

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS - Use h/w raid or not? Thoughts. Considerations.

2007-05-30 Thread Toby Thain
On 30-May-07, at 12:33 PM, Roch - PAE wrote: Torrey McMahon writes: Toby Thain wrote: On 25-May-07, at 1:22 AM, Torrey McMahon wrote: Toby Thain wrote: On 22-May-07, at 11:01 AM, Louwtjie Burger wrote: On 5/22/07, Pål Baltzersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if your HW-RAID

Re: [zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?

2007-05-30 Thread Toby Thain
On 30-May-07, at 4:28 PM, Mark A. Carlson wrote: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/30/0135218from=rss One highly rated comment features some of the first real ZFS FUD I've seen in the wild. Does this signify that ZFS is being taken seriously now? :) --Toby

Re: [zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?

2007-05-30 Thread Toby Thain
bugs; fixed bugs; and incorrect. --Toby Jerry K Toby Thain wrote: On 30-May-07, at 4:28 PM, Mark A. Carlson wrote: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/30/0135218from=rss One highly rated comment features some of the first real ZFS FUD I've seen in the wild. Does this signify

Re: [zfs-discuss] SMART

2007-06-01 Thread Toby Thain
On 1-Jun-07, at 7:50 PM, Eric Schrock wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 12:33:29PM -1000, J. David Beutel wrote: Excellent! Thanks! I've gleaned the following from your blog. Is this correct? * A week ago you committed a change that will: ** get current SMART parameters and faults for SATA

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X Leopard to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-Jun-07, at 4:53 PM, Lee Fyock wrote: Thanks, Chad. There's some debate in the Mac community about what the phrase the file system in Mac OS X means. Does that mean that machines that ship with Leopard will run on ZFS discs by default? Will ZFS be the default file system when

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X Leopard to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-Jun-07, at 6:28 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On June 7, 2007 6:21:34 PM -0300 Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general, IMHO this will be good for ZFS: Apple won't ship until it's shaken down and idiot proof. Oh, I dunno. Apple ships a lot of buggy stuff. Not at this level

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X Leopard to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-Jun-07, at 8:13 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On June 7, 2007 6:37:29 PM -0300 Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7-Jun-07, at 6:28 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On June 7, 2007 6:21:34 PM -0300 Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general, IMHO this will be good for ZFS: Apple won't ship

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 9:23 AM, Sunstar Dude wrote: Yea, What is the deal with this? ... Can anyone explain the absence of ZFS in Leopard??? I signed up for this forum just to post this. Steve giveth and Steve taketh away. --Toby This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 1:54 PM, Erblichs wrote: Group, Isn't Apple strength really in the non-compute intensive personal computer / small business environment? IE, Plug and play. Thus, even though ZFS is able to work as the default FS, should it be the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 4:38 PM, Sunstar Dude wrote: Perhaps Jonathan Schwartz really didn't want ZFS in OS X - Solaris competition - and he knew that if he did pre-announce ZFS in OS X that Steve Jobs would drop it just to get back at him. Maybe this was intentionally done by Schwartz to keep

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Stopping a resilver?

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 6:50 PM, John wrote: Ok.. never mind... the resilver says it completed... kind of odd... My hunch is that, unlike a scrub, say, it's not something you'd ordinarily want to stop? --Toby This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Mac OS X Leopard to use ZFS

2007-06-13 Thread Toby Thain
On 13-Jun-07, at 1:14 PM, Rick Mann wrote: From (http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;? articleID=199903525) ... Croll explained, ZFS is not the default file system for Leopard. We are exploring it as a file system option for high-end storage systems with really large

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Mac OS X Leopard to use ZFS

2007-06-13 Thread Toby Thain
On 13-Jun-07, at 4:09 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On June 13, 2007 9:14:48 AM -0700 Rick Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From (http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;? articleID=199903 525) ... In a follow-up interview today, Croll explained, ZFS is not the default file system

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Scalability/performance

2007-06-20 Thread Toby Thain
On 20-Jun-07, at 12:23 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: Hello, I'm quite interested in ZFS, like everybody else I suppose, and am about to install FBSD with ZFS. On that note, i have a different first question to start with. I personally am a Linux fanboy, and would love to see/use ZFS on

Re: [zfs-discuss] ReiserFS4 like metadata/search

2007-06-28 Thread Toby Thain
On 28-Jun-07, at 11:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/27/2007 06:25:47 PM: The only thing I haven't found in zfs yet, is metadata etc info. The previous 'next best thing' in FS was of course ReiserFS (4). Reiser3 was quite a nice thing, fast, journaled

Re: [zfs-discuss] ReiserFS4 like metadata/search

2007-06-28 Thread Toby Thain
On 28-Jun-07, at 4:46 PM, Oliver Schinagl wrote: I guess the userdefinable properties is then what i'm looking for. Well not what *I* am looking for perse. i was reading the article on Hans Reiser, the one over at wired, good read btw,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yeah...

2007-07-18 Thread Toby Thain
On 18-Jul-07, at 8:38 PM, Scott Lovenberg wrote: Erm, yeah, sorry about that (previous stupid questions). I wrote it before having my first cup of coffee... Thanks for the details, though. If you guys have any updates, please, drop a link to new info in this thread I hate to be a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)

2007-07-26 Thread Toby Thain
On 26-Jul-07, at 1:24 PM, Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Thursday, July 26, 2007, 2:56:32 PM, you wrote: MA Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Monday, June 18, 2007, 7:28:35 PM, you wrote: MA FYI, we're already working with engineers on some other ports to ensure MA

Re: [zfs-discuss] Adding my own compression to zfs

2007-10-08 Thread Toby Thain
On 8-Oct-07, at 5:39 PM, roland wrote: besides re-inventing the wheel somebody at sun should wake up and go ask mr. oberhumer and pay him $$$ to get lzo into ZFS. this is taken from http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/lzo/ lzodoc.php : Copyright - LZO is Copyright (C) 1996,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-10-25 Thread Toby Thain
On 24-Oct-07, at 3:24 PM, Francois Dion wrote: Not sure if it's been posted yet, my email is currently down... http://weblog.infoworld.com/yager/archives/2007/10/ suns_zfs_is_clo.html Interesting piece. This is the second post from Yager that shows solaris in a pretty good light. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-Nov-07, at 9:32 AM, Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello can, Monday, November 5, 2007, 4:42:14 AM, you wrote: cyg Having gotten a bit tired of the level of ZFS hype floating cyg around these days (especially that which Jonathan has chosen to cyg associate with his spin surrounding the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-10 Thread Toby Thain
On 9-Nov-07, at 2:45 AM, can you guess? wrote: Au contraire: I estimate its worth quite accurately from the undetected error rates reported in the CERN Data Integrity paper published last April (first hit if you Google 'cern data integrity'). While I have yet to see any checksum error

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-10 Thread Toby Thain
On 9-Nov-07, at 3:23 PM, Scott Laird wrote: Most video formats are designed to handle errors--they'll drop a frame or two, but they'll resync quickly. So, depending on the size of the error, there may be a visible glitch, but it'll keep working. Interestingly enough, this applies to a lot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-14 Thread Toby Thain
On 14-Nov-07, at 12:43 AM, Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Hi Darren, Ah, your CPU end was referring to the NFS client cpu, not the storage device CPU. That wasn't clear to me. The same limitations would apply to ZFS (or any other filesystem) when running in support of an NFS server.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-14 Thread Toby Thain
On 14-Nov-07, at 7:06 AM, can you guess? wrote: ... And how about FAULTS? hw/firmware/cable/controller/ram/... If you had read either the CERN study or what I already said about it, you would have realized that it included the effects of such faults. ...and ZFS is the only

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