Gore is a Gadianton too, so what choice do any of us have? I wouldn't
fault President Hinckley for voting for a Bush Gadianton before a Gore
Gadianton. Who knows? Perhaps he voted for Patrick Buchanan like I
did. Or better yet, perhaps he voted the rest of the ballot and left
the
At some point in the past, Paul asked:
So, who all on this list
voted for Bush?
-
Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote for
the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know
better.
Cousin Bill
At some point in the past, Jon wrote:
Well, I voted for Bush and I will again next time.
--
As did many other people that I know and love. I won't hold it (your voting
for Bush) against you if you won't hold (the other) it (my not voting for
Bush -- and no, I didn't vote for
Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote
for
the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know
better.
Cousin Bill
Hey, you just called me a fool. (don't worry, I'm sure I am)
I voted for Reagan the first time and I was only 18. I voted for
At 10:48 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Cousin Bill wrote:
Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote for
the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know better.
I have noticed that on some of the websites run by people with politics
similar to my
Although I don't agree with John's terminology and system of reference in this
regard, logically speaking I don't see why he'd have to take back his
accusations. It's still a civic duty to vote -- that's clear LDS doctrine as far
as I know (okay, I'm extrapolating from the 12th AoF, but the point
OK. I was just wondering -- I won't argue the point.
Paul Osborne wrote:
Marc:
Now this is an interesting thought. Do you really think this follows?
(that the
prophet's personal vote should, if it were known, be the example for the
rest of
us?) And how do you handle the fact that in any
Glad to hear it. I have to admit I never got to know many of the locals when I
lived there, but I had a companion from Provo, and he'd had no idea. That just
goes to show you the power of anecdotal statistics, I guess.
Steven Montgomery wrote:
At 01:38 AM 10/20/2002, Marc wrote:
all built on
I'm sure they do, but that wasn't the question I was raising. I was raising not
the question of knowledge, but of trust. Rule #1: follow the money. How do you
know that Bush is listening to US intelligence (which, btw, has a less than
sterling record).
Paul Osborne wrote:
Sorry Marc,
I think
I'm sure they do, but that wasn't the question I was raising. I was
raising not
the question of knowledge, but of trust. Rule #1: follow the money. How
do you
know that Bush is listening to US intelligence (which, btw, has a less
than
sterling record).
I don't know if Bush is listening to US
I look at it this way. Think of a time when maybe someone you didn't like got
called to be the bishop or SP or even a GA. You really thought this guy was in
over his head, or was a jerk. Whatever. So, what do you do? I raise my hand to
sustain the man (or woman). This is not a voting process.
Gary wins a two-week vacation on the Black Sea!
Gary Smith wrote:
We had placed missiles in Turkey.
K'aya K'ama,
Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www
.geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html
No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. -
Johann
So seth you. I sis it differently. My name is Anubeth. Who hath a problem with
that? -- a recent New Yorker cartoon.
Paul Osborne wrote:
Are you certain that our God is the one who commanded the Egyptian
Pharaoh? Maybe it was one of those gods with animal heads.
Hey--Joseph Smith identified
I don't know where Pres. Hinckley or Monson stand -- to my knowledge they've
never said -- but Pres. Faust has been active in the Democratic Party for years,
and has made no secret about it. N. Eldon Tanner, a member of a 1P who has
personal meaning for me (because I met him when I was a young
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:04:23 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
At 19:23 10/16/2002 -0800, BLT wrote:
We all have something of value to bring to the Church, even the lowliest
among us.
You rang
No, Till, I think that was for me.
Scott
--
Buttered bread always lands
After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote:
As I mentioned in a previous post, Capt Moroni was involved in pre-emptive
attacks.
Captain Moroni's pre-emptive attacks were in the context of an ongoing
war. I don't believe he ever attacked the Lamanites or the Gadiantons
during a time of
At 14:57 10/15/2002 -0400, mean ol' Jon wrote:
Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8))
No. You want a ward? You really want to be a Bishop? You think you're
tired now
Noo, n, no whine, whine
Till (Where's the Tam when we really
At 15:03 10/15/2002 -0400, Jon the confused wrote:
Opps! You are a Bishop now, aren't you? Well, you say you want another
ward? You're wacko!
Jon
Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8))
No. You want a ward? You really want to be a Bishop? You think you're
I would do a complete flip-flop on war with Iraq if the Lord commanded
us. But to the best of my knowledge he has not, has he? --JWR
You need not be commanded in all things. Some things are obvious! :-)
Jon
/
///
John -
Surely you miswrote! Are you trying to say that the Nephites were at war
with terrorists (the Gadiantons)? Or are you saying that the only time the
Nephites struck out at the Gadiantons was when the Lamanites were also
attacking the Nephites?
If so, then its back to the Book of Mormon
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:22:48 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8))
Till, Scott is tired too. However, should you feel it worth calling an
award, I consider you my friend and that is not an award I hand out
often or
The Lord explicitly says that if we follow his conditions he'll fight our wars
for us.
Jon Spencer wrote:
I would do a complete flip-flop on war with Iraq if the Lord commanded
us. But to the best of my knowledge he has not, has he? --JWR
You need not be commanded in all things. Some
After careful consideration, Scott McGee wrote:
I agree that some things were obvious. This, for me, was not one of them,
until one of the Lord's spokesmen told us in conference that we were to
be peacemakers. I beleived him and now, to me, it is obvious. We should
NOT be making war on Iraq.
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:00:46 -0800, John W. Redelfs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
After careful consideration, Scott McGee wrote:
I agree that some things were obvious. This, for me, was not one of them,
until one of the Lord's spokesmen told us in conference that we were to
be peacemakers. I
Scott McGee wrote:
Mark, Marc, and John,
Let me ask you a questions. I accept that our government is sufficiently
controlled by gadiantons that I have no real voice it. I see no way to
elect a truly worthy candidate now.
My question, then, is what is the answer? As far as I can see,
I'm sure he does. But I was just repeating the promise as written.
Jon Spencer wrote:
Marc A. Schindler wrote:
DC states clearly that if we follow his conditions, he'll fight out
battles for
us.
Doesn't God do most of His work through us?
Jon
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove,
All be if you were to do a study you would learn that
the so-called conspiracy theorists are a lot more likely to have a years
supply of food that the average active member. They vote differently
too,
so they will not have nearly as much to answer for when they stand
before
the Judge.
I don't think it means other saints aren't inspired. They just have
different gifts. Seeing a sinister pattern in current events is
apparently
not one of them. No problem. They are strong in other areas. And we
who
can clearly see these things have other areas where we are
blind.
And these are wars of expansion how, exactly? Utah taking over Colorado with the
Lord's angels at the head of legions of BYU sophomores?
Johnson's Army was a long time ago. We are not beset by the kind of situation that
the Israelites were.
Steven Montgomery wrote:
While I agree with you
Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8))
Now don't start that again! Two more years, my friend.
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John Redelfs:
After careful consideration, Larry Jackson wrote:
I don't think we're after him because of September 11th. I
think we're after him because our president believes he
plans to obtain a nuclear weapon and use it against us.
I haven't noticed any of those other countries planning to
And Christ came to fulfill the OT law and offer a higher law. (IOW, use the term
Bible less categorically and I think you'll see a stark contrast between OT and
NT ideas).
Jon Spencer wrote:
John W. Redelfs wrote:
Actually, the only time the Nephites went on a search and destroy mission,
So, when the LORD declared unto Joshua that he had delivered the Amorites
into his hand or when the LORD himself cast down great stones from heaven
to slay the Amorites this was somehow fulfilling a lesser law? I fail to
understand how the Israelites were somehow keeping a lesser law when God
While I agree with you regarding righteous wars, I don't necessarily agree
with your statement that Zion doesn't expand through warfare
anymore. For instance, why has the Lord repeatedly stated that, after we
have done our part, He would fight our battles.
--
Steven Montgomery
At 07:41 PM
John Redelfs:
And Saddam is? What makes you think he is behind the
attack on 9-11? Actually, if you trace the money and arms
back another notch, I think you will find that Russia and
China are heavily promoting terrorism, using these Saudis,
Iraqis, Afghanis, etc. to hide their meddling.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Redelfs:
And Saddam is? What makes you think he is behind the
attack on 9-11? Actually, if you trace the money and arms
back another notch, I think you will find that Russia and
China are heavily promoting terrorism, using these Saudis,
Iraqis, Afghanis,
After careful consideration, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think we're after him because of September 11th. I
think we're after him because our president believes he
plans to obtain a nuclear weapon and use it against us.
I haven't noticed any of those other countries planning to
do so.
After careful consideration, Jon Spencer wrote:
Have anyone in mind? Would you care to share the fruits of your
investigations? Or were you just speaking generally about persons unknown?
How about the heads of state in Libya, Syria, Cuba, and North Korea, just
to start the list? How about
No? Who financed the al-Qaeda. It wasn't Iraq. It was Saudi Arabians, using
Pakistan as a training base, and Afghanistan as a base of operations. Sure Iraq
probably had a hand in it -- probably every ME country except Israel and Jordan
did in one way or another. What I don't understand is this
John W. Redelfs wrote:
Sadam doesn't have an ideology. If he does, it is I'm boss, and I'll
crush anyone who tries to tear down my power. Quite a few world
leaders
seem to share this ideology, even some in our own country.
Jon
Have anyone in mind? Would you care to share the fruits of
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