Re: [ZION] War on Iraq

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Re: the constitutionality of declaring war The lead editorial in The New Yorker is called “The Talk of the Town” and is usually written by Hendrik Hertzberg who is, believe it or not, an intelligent liberal (they do exist). He’s the kind of person with whom you might not always agree, but who

[ZION] Aurora Borealis alert

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
This isn't the first aurora of the season here, but we've got some rather interesting aurora this morning. It's 03:36 MDT (what I'm doing up is a long story, but my wife gets up at 03:15 to do papers and I've asked her to get me up if there's a nice display). This one covers the entire sky in a

RE: [ZION] Ivory Coast - who goes?

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 14:39 10/1/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: At 09:12 PM 10/1/02 + Larry Jackson favored us with: I think in this case it might be more that the US is in the habit of protecting its citizens wherever they are in the world, and some young citizens were in danger. So the US went to the Ivory Coast

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 19:02 10/1/2002 -0800, JWR wrote: Yeah, its real nice to know that you Canadians are real killers slaughtering people half way around the word. It must make you feel great. --JWR Just rogue wolves wandered from the Boreal Forest, eh? Till

Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 00:08 10/2/2002 -0400, Grampa Bill wrote: the B-70 Valkyrie, named for the Norse War Maidens. We hope it doesn't DRESS like a Valkyrie! Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: Re: [ZION] Ivory Coast - who goes?

2002-10-02 Thread Grampa Bill
From: Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Culturally speaking, the further north you go the more Moslems there are. Bouaké, the main city in northern Cote d'Ivoire is in an area with a lot of Muslims, and fundamentalists there are trying to foment a secessionist revolt.

[ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
Why would the USA lower its tariffs, allow most of its heavy industry to relocate overseas, and become dependent on the rest of the world for almost everything, and then get into a war? How would war with China affect Wal-Mart? How would Wal-Mart going belly up affect our national economy?

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 07:01 AM 10/2/02 -0400 Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: Yeah, its real nice to know that you Canadians are real killers slaughtering people half way around the word. It must make you feel great. --JWR Just rogue wolves wandered from the Boreal Forest, eh? I love and have a deep

Re: [ZION] Ivory Coast - who goes?

2002-10-02 Thread Mark Gregson
Sorry, I thought I made that clear. The French government has the responsibility for Cote d'Ivoire's military defence. Yam'o didn't have to ask for help, it would have been automatic. Okay, but how did the US get in? In another post you mentioned international law. Are you saying that

Re: [ZION] maps

2002-10-02 Thread Mark Gregson
Guess what. I just picked up the mail and got my copy of FARMS' Insights. Guess what the featured book is? Charting the New Testament. I got my copy last night, too. Does that book make your study bible project obsolete? = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = --

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Jon Spencer
Yea, John, give them thar Canadians a break, eh? Frankly, I would rather that they slaughter the criminals over there, rather than have more come over here and slaughter more of us. Besides, with the mighty armed services that Canada has (a TOTAL of 55,000), they couldn't even muster up another

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Jon Spencer
John W. Redelfs wrote: I'll bet they could whip the Mexican army if they were to invade. grin --JWR Now perhaps here is where you and I may agree. However, given that the Mexican army is invading Arizona quite successfully on an ongoing basis, maybe they might night win. Jon

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Paul Osborne
I'll bet they could whip the Mexican army if they were to invade. grin --JWR Boy, you are really on a roll these days. grin I thought I was really bad at kicking the beehive. I guess I've met my match! Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] Honorable Nations

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 12:34 PM 10/2/02 -0400 Jon Spencer favored us with: It is nice to know that John thinks that there are no moral people anywhere in the world (does that include you, John?) I personally take exception to this, because here our or little part of the vineyard, there are hundreds of righteous men

[ZION] LDS study bible

2002-10-02 Thread Gary Smith
I don't think they are actually changing the words. What they are doing, is putting a lot of textual information on the original Aramaic and Greek, and discussing certain ideas within the NT from an LDS apologetics point of view. This one won't be to replace your LDS scriptures. This one will be

[ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Gary Smith
the Atlanta storehouse now allows members to purchase 30 day storage boxes. It contains cans of wheat, powdered milk, etc., enough for one person for thirty days. Each costs about $30, or a dollar a day. I'm not sure if all the storehouses are now doing this or not. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:24 10/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long ramp up to southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts. Till thought the wolves in Provo were the RM's prowling for mates .

[ZION] rumor about the scriptures

2002-10-02 Thread Gary Smith
I try to switch sets every couple years. It forces me to learn new things. However, prior to dumping (or rather, giving my old set to a family member), I'll go through it and find the verses and ideas I've marked in it, and put them in a notebook I have. Then, I still have them to refer back to.

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. Let me put it this way, though: we pay a higher cost for the moral high ground -- look at the reaction of people like Cousin Bill to Chrétien's caution about going to war with Iraq. It's a simple fact of geopolitics that the US has substantial

Re: [ZION] maps

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
No. Why would it? Our project is like an expanded version of the current footnotes and has a linguistic and slightly apologetics orientation (that is, we show how the original Greek supports LDS doctrine, contrary to anti-Mormon charges). Mark Gregson wrote: Guess what. I just picked up

Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
And somebody better check the temperature in hell, because you know what? I agree with every word John's written here (although I would interpret some of the references a bit differently). And I'm supposed to be the token liberal on the list. :-) John W. Redelfs wrote: At 12:22 PM 10/2/02

Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 13:21 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: And somebody better check the temperature in hell, because you know what? I agree with every word John's written here (although I would interpret some of the references a bit differently). And I'm supposed to be the token liberal on the list. :-) I'd

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. Now

Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Chev Bel-Aire 1956 bumpers. 'nuff said. Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 10:59 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: Wouldn't be very aerodynamic, would it? Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 00:08 10/2/2002 -0400, Grampa Bill wrote: the B-70 Valkyrie, named for the Norse War Maidens. We hope

Re: [ZION] LDS study bible

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I use the Anchor Bible, which is of course much more of an investment (the series isn't finished yet and it already fills 2 1/2 shelves of one of my Ikea bookshelves). But that's a somewhat different model. I don't really have a one-volume commentary like the Scofield Bible, but iirc I've seen

Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 13:38 10/2/2002 -0600, m mARC wrote: Chev Bel-Aire 1956 bumpers. 'nuff said. OYE! Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Stephen Beecroft wrote: -Marc- Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion MARC: Just goes to

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Mark Gregson wrote: I get it, but as I explained, it's not a level playing field, morally speaking. No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're all corrupt. Much as we would love to take a higher ground, it is too expensive for us. We *could* do it, but your

Re: [ZION] LDS study bible

2002-10-02 Thread Steven Montgomery
I used to have (till my kids destroyed it--sadly) a fairly large comparison Bible which contained about 7 different versions (none of the modern watered down versions) of the Bible, and if I recall correctly a couple of translations from the original Hebrew and Greek. Joseph Smith once stated

Re: [ZION] LDS study bible

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Those used to be very popular in olden days, and by olden days I mean going back to the earliest Church fathers. One of them (and I'm not going to try to find his name in my memory but I think it was Origen) put together a Hexapla which means 6 versions, 3 columns per page, so you'd have all six

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Paul Osborne
I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on this list who think that Canada needs the US to protect it: Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by aliens from outer space. It could happen. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're all corrupt. Much as we would love to take a higher ground, it is too expensive for us. Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them! -Marc- My reasoning is that we are being hammered enough by US

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
But we're vastly outnumbered by caribou. I'm thinking that if the aliens are really smart, they'll assume that caribous are the sentient species, and we're just advanced prairie dogs. Besides, they'd be looking for Elvis, and Wawa, Ontario, is the last place they'd think of looking. Paul Osborne

[ZION] Ward History and Family History Representative

2002-10-02 Thread Sheri Schetselaar
Is anyone on this list familiar with any teaching materials, names of manuals, for use by a Family History Representative? I got both callings, and need to learn more. I talked with the Family History Support and wasn't able to find out anything. I understand there is a course I am

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 12:15 PM 10/2/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with: We don't paint targets on our chest like the US has a tendency to do. That is exactly what the USA does, and I don't understand it. Why deliberately make enemies around the world unnecessarily? A little MYOB would go a long way to

[ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
Sometimes I get a little tired of the nationalist chest beating that some on this list indulge themselves in, especially the USA vs. Canada variety. We are all saints. Our allegiance is the Kingdom of God, and only secondarily to Canada or the USA. I think if we are honest with ourselves we

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 06:43 PM 10/2/02 -0500 Paul Osborne favored us with: I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on this list who think that Canada needs the US to protect it: Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by aliens from outer space. It could

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them! -Marc- Your caricature does not accurately represent what I wrote. I think it does, more or less. Your implication has been that Canada's problems originate with the US, and that any of Canada's perhaps