RE: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Noel B
Jim Cobabe: I wept when I learned of this sad news. Is something amiss in the Church, that the Lord would allow one of his temples to be destroyed? ___ It is sad, but I seriously doubt anything unusual is amiss. I think there was a construction accident. Larry Jackson --

RE: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
Noel B favored us with: For an answer I would have to look to God and the prophet. When I listen to President Hinckley, I hear a very positive message. I have to assume that each one of us must seek confirmation of that message from God that we are a righteous people and have favor in His eyes.

Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:53:08 -0800 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Noel B favored us with: > >For an answer I would have to look to God and the prophet. When I > listen > >to President Hinckley, I hear a very positive message. I have to > assume > >that each one of us must seek

Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I think the church as a whole is paying a lot more attention to the Book of Mormon. I can't say what was happening before I joined it but I see a lot of emphasis on it. Failure to read it on an individual basis is not a collective matter. Stacy. At 11:44 AM 07/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: On

RE: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Noel B
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:53:08 -0800 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Noel B favored us with: > >For an answer I would have to look to God and the prophet. When I > listen > >to President Hinckley, I hear a very positive message. I have to > assume > >that each one of us must seek co

Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 10:44 AM 7/12/2003, Paul wrote: John, President Bensen is dead. What he said has no bearing anymore regarding the direction and present condition of the Church, let alone the future direction. This responsibility lies upon the shoulders of the current leadership. If the Church is still under c

Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:12:11 -0600 Steven Montgomery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 10:44 AM 7/12/2003, Paul wrote: > > >John, > > > >President Bensen is dead. What he said has no bearing anymore > regarding > >the direction and present condition of the Church, let alone the > future > >direc

Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:39:10 -0500 Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [snip] > > current > > Prophet does not necessarily mean the curse is no longer in > effect. > > > Ok, ok. No need to roast me over the coals. ;-) > > What has President Hinckley said about this stuff during his

Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
John W. Redelfs wrote: President Benson said the whole Church was under condemnation because we don't properly value the Book of Mormon. Has that changed? I don't think so, but I suppose I could be wrong. When I hear glowing reports about the growth of the Church, and how well we are accepte

[ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most Peop

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? 1. A testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. 2. Belief and acceptanc

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith favored us with: I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? My list would be much shorter: 1. A testimony that th

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I can't say I've met all your list either. If I can't say I've met all mine or all yours it looks like Jesus may have pity on me or I won't make it either. Stacy. At 04:41 PM 07/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: Stacy Smith favored us with: I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to d

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most P

2003-07-12 Thread Noel B
Before one's calling and election is made sure, one key step is remission of sins through the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost. I would venture that few there are that have sought after and received this blessing that, according to 2 Nephi 31:17-18, is a requirement before you are solidly on the

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
Isn't that what we seek when we take the Sacrament? Stacy. At 08:54 PM 07/12/2003 -0400, you wrote: Before one's calling and election is made sure, one key step is remission of sins through the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost. I would venture that few there are that have sought after and rec

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Noel B
This is what Enos received after his "wrestle with God" which took him into the forest for a day and night of prayer. There are a number of descriptions in the scriptures on this topic: Mosiah 4, Enos, 3Nephi 12:1-2, and one of my favorites, D&C39:6. I don't think it is the same thing. Noel -

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Mos

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
All right. Let's get practical. If one hasn't the temple marriage one wants I suppose it's fruitless to even try for anything like this. But if one were to eventually get that and everything else being equal, how would someone do this in a modern setting? In an apartment? Do you mean to tel

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Mos

2003-07-12 Thread Noel B
I watched a special on the biblical David last night on PBS. (By the way, it was great to see Leonard Nimoy in the part of Samuel the prophet.) They took some of the spiritual insights out of the story but one item they did leave in was that God looks at the heart. It is by our heart that he judges

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:41:16 -0800 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 7. Attention to all family duties such as regular family prayer, > Family > Home Evening, food storage, genealogy and scripture study, etc. > 8. True charity towards ones fellow man including generous Fast > Offering

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure

2003-07-12 Thread larry . jackson
Stacy Smith: All right. Let's get practical. If one hasn't the temple marriage one wants I suppose it's fruitless to even try for anything like this. Larry Jackson: I believe it would take a successful temple marriage. Stacy: But if one were to eventually get that and everything else bein

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I think you're right probably. In the long run the work for the dead for a nonmember doesn't count for much because it's always guesswork whether anything ever happens in the spirit world. Stacy. At 12:08 AM 07/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: Stacy Smith: All right. Let's get practical. If one h

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Mo

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
Unfortunately, the reality is that I'd have to have a temple marriage first. I'm not sure I have a shot at that anymore but at least I'm hoping like all the others who have decided to gamble on a nonmember because they love them. Stacy. At 11:53 PM 07/12/2003 -0400, you wrote: I watched a sp

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure...

2003-07-12 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:40 PM 7/12/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote: I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? 1. —— 2. —— 3. —— ... At 04:41 PM 7