RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 03:14 12/17/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote:



I was zipping along a Missouri road back in 1975 and fell off my
motorcycle.  Luckily, my fall was broken by my face on the pavement or I
could've hurt myself.

So it's not motorcycles which are dangerous.  It's roads.  Or faces.




Even Till has taken a tumble once, from a Norton.  There was this rock in 
the road which he smuck amidships at 60.  The rest is subject to some 
pretty vivid imagining.  HE thinks rocks are dangerous (not to mention 
young men)


Till the twisted

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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-17 Thread John W. Redelfs
Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with:

Even Till has taken a tumble once, from a Norton.  There was this rock in 
the road which he smuck amidships at 60.  The rest is subject to some 
pretty vivid imagining.  HE thinks rocks are dangerous (not to mention 
young men).

Three times in my life I've been on a motorcycle, and I've never had a 
spill.  Once on a 150cc Honda in 1963, again on a somewhat larger Honda in 
1966, and lastly on a 250cc once cylinder thumper in 1968.  Since then I 
have avoided motorcycles because I don't want to die.  My dad was an 
anesthesiologist and spent much of his career in the operating room.  He 
saw a lot of motorcycle accident victims, and he called them murder cycles, 
not motorcycles.  Since I can't seem to avoid crashing my car, I thought it 
foolish for me to trust my bad luck on a motorcycle.

Still, I have fantasies of a Harley Hog going clear back to when I was 16 
and still riding bicycles.


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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:09 12/13/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote:


Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:
 Chet, my friend, that's And little lambs eat ivy, a kid'll eat ivy too,
 
 wouldn't you?



 Till the very helpful

Evidently you can remember Gallegher  Sheen easier than I. (No, not
Sledge-O-Matic Gallegher and Martin--Chuckles Sheen!)



Naw, just Spike Let me kiss your hand madame, 'cause I can't stand your 
breath Jones

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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Mark Gregson

 Since Scott's motorcycle ownership has been given such a thorough review here, what 
does the list have to say about a stake president owning and using a motorcycle. 

Speaking for the list as a whole (and I know that everyone is happy to let me speak 
for them, or if not, they should just keep quiet about it) I have to wonder about 
someone who rides a motorbike but is not a keen fan of The Lord of the Rings.  Which 
is more likely to hurt someone: watching the Lord of the Rings movies or riding a 
motorbike?  Which is more likely to lead to tatoos, long greasy beards and drinking of 
some kind of near beer substitute?  Which is louder?  And if your daughter showed up 
at home one day riding behind some guy on a motorbike, wouldn't you find yourself 
wishing she was watching The Two Towers instead?

So there you have it.  The questions lead to obvious answers.  The list has spoken.

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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Tom Matkin
Mark,

You may think motorcycle exhaust
Is a sign of a soul that is lost
But to contrast this view
With Two Towers debut
Is a sign that your have your threads crossed.

Or to put it more logically, you have proposed a false dichotomy.
Whether or not one enjoys LORT movies really has nothing to do with
whether or not one wants his daughter to ride on the back of a
motorcycle. 

But I'll have to assume, on your say so, that the list thinks that
motorcycles are the embodiment of evil and I should sell mine and use
the proceeds to purchase one of the inevitable classic collector's
leather embossed box sets of LOTR movie DVD's for each member in my
stake when they become available.

Tom

Cardston, Alberta
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 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Gregson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: December 16, 2002 9:33 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles
 
 
  Since Scott's motorcycle ownership has been given such a thorough
review
 here, what does the list have to say about a stake president owning
and
 using a motorcycle.
 
 Speaking for the list as a whole (and I know that everyone is happy to
let
 me speak for them, or if not, they should just keep quiet about it) I
have
 to wonder about someone who rides a motorbike but is not a keen fan of
The
 Lord of the Rings.  Which is more likely to hurt someone: watching the
 Lord of the Rings movies or riding a motorbike?  Which is more likely
to
 lead to tatoos, long greasy beards and drinking of some kind of near
beer
 substitute?  Which is louder?  And if your daughter showed up at home
one
 day riding behind some guy on a motorbike, wouldn't you find yourself
 wishing she was watching The Two Towers instead?
 
 So there you have it.  The questions lead to obvious answers.  The
list
 has spoken.
 
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Re: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Just by the by, yesterday (Sunday) we drove back from Taber and stopped at Gasoline 
Alley for a quick pit stop (for non-Albertans, Gasoline Alley is a strip of fast food 
and gas stations along the service roads on the south side of the city of Red Deer, 
which is midway between Calgary and Edmonton.)  There's now a Harley-Davidson store 
there where you can get your hawg serviced. They sell Harley insignia and similar 
products, too.

Mark Gregson wrote:


  Since Scott's motorcycle ownership has been given such a thorough review here, 
what does the list have to say about a stake president owning and using a motorcycle.

 Speaking for the list as a whole (and I know that everyone is happy to let me speak 
for them, or if not, they should just keep quiet about it) I have to wonder about 
someone who rides a motorbike but is not a keen fan of The Lord of the Rings.  Which 
is more likely to hurt someone: watching the Lord of the Rings movies or riding a 
motorbike?  Which is more likely to lead to tatoos, long greasy beards and drinking 
of some kind of near beer substitute?  Which is louder?  And if your daughter showed 
up at home one day riding behind some guy on a motorbike, wouldn't you find yourself 
wishing she was watching The Two Towers instead?

 So there you have it.  The questions lead to obvious answers.  The list has spoken.

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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:56 12/16/2002 -0700, Uncle Presidente wrote:


But I'll have to assume, on your say so, that the list thinks that
motorcycles are the embodiment of evil and I should sell mine and use
the proceeds to purchase one of the inevitable classic collector's
leather embossed box sets of LOTR movie DVD's for each member in my
stake when they become available.



No, no keep the bike, just don't grease your hair and get a misshapen eagle 
on your forearm.   Motorcycles are kewl.  Have to admit though, they're not 
so great right about this time of year.


Till, who doesn't live in your stake anyway (now that might be a different 
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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Chet
Tom Matkin wrote:
 Mark,
snip 
 But I'll have to assume, on your say so, that the list thinks that
 motorcycles are the embodiment of evil and I should sell mine and use
 the proceeds to purchase one of the inevitable classic collector's
 leather embossed box sets of LOTR movie DVD's for each member in my
 stake when they become available.

No, he means you should purchase the inevitable classic collector's 
leather embossed box sets of LOTR movie (all three parts) DVD for each 
member in MY stake.


*jeep!
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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Scott McGee
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:28:22 -0700, Tom Matkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 Since Scott's motorcycle ownership has been given such a thorough review
 here, what does the list have to say about a stake president owning and
 using a motorcycle. 

Tom,  Considering the intense discussion of my motorcycle, my stairs, and
my butt, I may not be considered the best source to listen to, but I fail
to see the problem. Would you be just as much influence with these same
teenagers if you bought a truck or a sports car? The Church is made for
man, not man for the Church. You don't really need to alter everything
about your life for fear of giving someone a wrong impression.

Yes, it is very appropriate to consider the impact of your actions in
many circumstances. What would someone thing if they saw you chugging
away on a bottle of IBC root beer if they didn't know and weren't close
enough to read the label. Probably that you were drinking a beer. Does
that mean, however, thay you shouldn't ever drink anything in a brown
bottle? No! You might want to be a bit more circumspect in public
settings, or alternately you might want to make a big deal about it so
that anyone likely to see you will KNOW that it is root beer.

With your motorcycle, however, someone seeing you riding will NOT assume
that you are breaking some commandment. You could, however, if still
concerned take a similar approach to the alternate above. You can be very
public and up-front about your motorcycle and why you feel it is a good
thing. This also allows you to provide saftey info to admiring teens.

Personally, I don't think you should worry about it. If you do anyway,
then either try the above aproach or quite riding to releive your own
worry (but not because of what other's think!)

 But most importantly of all, considering the demonstrated danger, should
 I also avoid the use of stairs?

Well, if you are considering my example, then yes you should avoid stairs
at three am in the middle of a tornado warning in the rain just after
having been given a motorcycle. Otherwise, I expect that they are fairly
safe.

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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Mark Gregson

 Or to put it more logically, you have proposed a false dichotomy.
 Whether or not one enjoys LORT movies really has nothing to do with
 whether or not one wants his daughter to ride on the back of a
 motorcycle. 

Well, I got on the back of a motorbike once and it fell over.  So I know that they 
must be dangerous.
 
 But I'll have to assume, on your say so, that the list thinks that
 motorcycles are the embodiment of evil and I should sell mine and use
 the proceeds to purchase one of the inevitable classic collector's
 leather embossed box sets of LOTR movie DVD's for each member in my
 stake when they become available.

The list speaks:

Wow, are you ever an enlightened stake president!  I wasn't trying to say that 
motorbikes are evil but if it leads you to donate the LoTR DVD's to your members then 
something really good would have come of it all.  Too bad my stake president doesn't 
ride a motorbike.  Guess I'll just have to buy my own copies of the DVD's.

In the spirit of the list, if anyone is going to be in Edmonton this Friday you can 
come watch The Two Towers at Silver City in the late afternoon with me.

On the other hand, if you're going to be in Cardston before the snow flies (and it 
might never, the way this winter is going), take your motorbike along and have a ride 
with Tom.

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Re: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-14 Thread Jon Spencer
Oh, come on!  This one is really easy!  The response is Well, then, if you
want a motor cycle, then go live with President Matkin.  Now, get the dishes
done.

Jon

Tom Matkin wrote:

Will the poor mothers crumble or at least chaff under the weight of but
President Matkin has a motorcycle.

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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 19:12 12/12/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote:


Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:

 Sure blame it on the buttered cat ..  gloating goats and glazed
 groats
 and grazed oats indeed!

And little lambs eat ivy.  A-deedle-dee-aiydee-doo, wouldn't you?




Chet, my friend, that's And little lambs eat ivy, a kid'll eat ivy too, 
wouldn't you?



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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-13 Thread Tom Matkin
Since Scott's motorcycle ownership has been given such a thorough review here, what 
does the list have to say about a stake president owning and using a motorcycle. I 
seem to remember some counsel when I was called about being a good example. Remember I 
live in a small town where everyone seems to think they know each other. Surreptitious 
use of the motorcycle is not an option. Will my being seen on a motorcycle undercut 
the arguments of well meaning and concerned parents mothers who are trying to keep 
their sons from maiming or killing themselves?  Will the poor mothers crumble or at 
least chaff under the weight of but President Matkin has a motorcycle.  On the other 
hand by participating in a few group rides with the local biking community (organized 
by the local RCMP staff sergeant who is also a high priests group leader in my stake) 
I have been able to rub shoulders with certain people who don't normal frequent our 
Sunday meetings. So that's the dilemma, on the one hand it may be giving justification 
to a rather dangerous sport (especially in the hands of a 17 year old with nothing but 
wind between his ears) and on the other hand if I give it up I lose contact with a lot 
of good friends, some of whom I'm unlikely to see in any other context. 

But most importantly of all, considering the demonstrated danger, should I also avoid 
the use of stairs?

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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-13 Thread Jim Cobabe

Tom,

Please keep your wheels polished, be very careful navigating the stairs, 
and above all, see that you maintain the integrity of your integument at 
all times.

(Can you really ride your Harley down the stairs?  Imagine that!)

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Re: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:03 12/12/2002 +, Sir Chet wrote:


This accident you describe sounds worse though.  How's that again?  He
rode his motorcycle down the stairs and accelerated his fall?



I think he said he was chasing his tail on the steps and tripped over the 
motorcycle, accelerating his downfall.


Till the falling asleep

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Re: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-12 Thread Scott McGee
You guys have it all WRONG! I sliped and fell down some stairs, injuring
my butt so that I can not ride my newly aquired Motorcycle. My complaint
is that I can't ride the thing. I sometimes go out into the garage just
to gaze longingly at it. I tried riding it a week and a half ago and it
REALLY HURT. Made my butt more sore again too!

I have now had the motorcylce over a month and still can't ride it!!

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Re: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:24 12/12/2002 -0400, you wrote:

You guys have it all WRONG! I sliped and fell down some stairs, injuring
my butt so that I can not ride my newly aquired Motorcycle. My complaint
is that I can't ride the thing. I sometimes go out into the garage just
to gaze longingly at it. I tried riding it a week and a half ago and it
REALLY HURT. Made my butt more sore again too!

I have now had the motorcylce over a month and still can't ride it!!



OK, let's try again


You were sipping on the wrong stuff when Bishop Newly showed up on the 
stairs, presently your countenance fell when he asked you to complain about 
your tithing and now  you're sore afraid that you can't get that motorcycle 
you've been dreaming of  plus now you're too weak, and half minded 
to hurt the garbage man when he gazes longingly at you .


Did we get it this time???  You're right, this DOES hurt  Have we 
ridden this to death yet?   Oh, my aching .


Till the ever helpful

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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:30 12/12/2002 -0700, Uncle Presidente wrote:

Wow ELF, you really have it mixed up this time.  Scott dripped some
butter on his stairs while longing to get over his grudge against
mountain goats  grazing against two sure things.


Sure blame it on the buttered cat ..  gloating goats and glazed groats 
and grazed oats indeed!


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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-12 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:30:03 -0700, Tom Matkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 Wow ELF, you really have it mixed up this time.  Scott dripped some
 butter on his stairs while longing to get over his grudge against
 mountain goats  grazing against two sure things. 

No no no no! Let me try again. 

See Scott.
See Scott's stairs.
See scott fall.
Fall Scott, fall.
See Scott fall down the stairs.

See Scott.
See Scott's butt.
Hurt, Scott, hurt.
See Scott's butt hurt.

See Scott.
See Scott's motorcycle.
See Scott not riding his motorcycle.
You can't ride, Scott, you can't ride.
See Scott be sad.
Cry, Scott, cry.

See Elf and Tom.
See Elf and Tom make fun of Scott's sore butt.
Laugh Elf and Tom, laugh.
See Scott be sad.

Scott
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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-12 Thread Chet

Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:

 Sure blame it on the buttered cat ..  gloating goats and glazed 
 groats 
 and grazed oats indeed!

And little lambs eat ivy.  A-deedle-dee-aiydee-doo, wouldn't you?


*jeep!
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Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you 
are doing the impossible.

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RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-12 Thread larry . jackson
Dear Scott,

I'm sorry I put the words stairs and motorcycle in the 
same sentence.  I hope you get better soon.

Fortunately, the part of you that got hurt shouldn't be too 
affected by laughter.  But, if there is anyone on this list 
with a bruised or broken rib, they are probably ready to 
do me in right about now.

Very truly yours,

Larry Jackson
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