Re: Zope development tutorial (Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9)

2006-02-03 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 2/2/06, Tim Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The things that tie together are Zope itself and larger frameworks on top of it, such as e.g. the CMF or Plone/CPS/Silva. Do you mean that nobody actually writes an application without using CMF or Plone/CPS/Silva? If that is the case then that

Re: Zope development tutorial (Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9)

2006-02-03 Thread ardo
maybe you can check iungo at http://iungo.org ?On 2/3/06, Tim Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The things that tie together are Zope itself and larger frameworks on top of it, such as e.g. the CMF or Plone/CPS/Silva.Do you mean that nobody actually writes an application without usingCMF or

Re: Zope development tutorial (Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9)

2006-02-03 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tim Nash wrote at 2006-2-2 11:50 -0800: ... As for a specific question. Here goes: Could I please get a Zope application written by someone who has 2 years of Zope experience that uses several dtml or zpt pages, that 1. registers a user 2. collects data from a user and saves that data to the

Re: Zope development tutorial (Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9)

2006-02-02 Thread Tim Nash
The things that tie together are Zope itself and larger frameworks on top of it, such as e.g. the CMF or Plone/CPS/Silva. Do you mean that nobody actually writes an application without using CMF or Plone/CPS/Silva? If that is the case then that explains my slow rate of development. But I wonder

Zope development tutorial (Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9)

2006-02-01 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tim Nash wrote at 2006-1-31 11:48 -0800: ... I have completed my first zope product and I find that the change in mindset is the biggest challenge. Zope is cool but it is quite different from php or java or cgi. Have you read the Zope Developper Guide? It is something like a basic guide to

[Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Florent Guillaume
Peter Bengtsson wrote: On 1/30/06, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 30. Januar 2006 17:39:11 + Peter Bengtsson wrote: It's not a strange product. It's quite simple in fact. Not being able to refresh without restarting means that I can't use Zope 2.9 for python product development. Why is refresh

[Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Peter Bengtsson
On 1/31/06, Florent Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Bengtsson wrote: On 1/30/06, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 30. Januar 2006 17:39:11 + Peter Bengtsson wrote: It's not a strange product. It's quite simple in fact. Not being able to refresh without restarting means that I can't

Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 31 Jan 2006, at 12:02, Peter Bengtsson wrote: That's why I, like others in this thread, don't care about refresh. Like I mentioned elsewhere, with my setup, restarting zope is gravely inferior to zope-restart for product development. I'm happy to share my setup to Open Source but it's

Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Peter Bengtsson
On 1/31/06, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Jan 2006, at 12:02, Peter Bengtsson wrote: That's why I, like others in this thread, don't care about refresh. Like I mentioned elsewhere, with my setup, restarting zope is gravely inferior to zope-restart for product

[Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Florent Guillaume
Peter Bengtsson wrote: On 1/31/06, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Jan 2006, at 12:02, Peter Bengtsson wrote: That's why I, like others in this thread, don't care about refresh. Like I mentioned elsewhere, with my setup, restarting zope is gravely inferior to zope-restart for

Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 31 Jan 2006, at 13:05, Peter Bengtsson wrote: And I don't understand how Zope product refresh doesn't have a higher attention priority when it's so useful. As far as I know, it's the only way to make changes to a zope2 product without having to restart the server causing downtime and lost

[Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Peter Bengtsson
On 1/31/06, Florent Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Bengtsson wrote: On 1/31/06, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Jan 2006, at 12:02, Peter Bengtsson wrote: That's why I, like others in this thread, don't care about refresh. Like I mentioned elsewhere, with my

Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Peter Bengtsson
On 1/31/06, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/31/06, Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Refresh works well in limited situations, but it *cannot work* if you have global registries or many interrelated modules. The setup I use takes care of dependencies in a

Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Tim Nash
This thread has been interesting. I wish there was even more writing about how people develop with zope. I have completed my first zope product and I find that the change in mindset is the biggest challenge. Zope is cool but it is quite different from php or java or cgi. I wish that there was

Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Tim Nash
This thread has been interesting. I wish there was even more writing about how people develop with zope. I have completed my first zope product and I find that the change in mindset is the biggest challenge. Zope is cool but it is quite different from php or java or cgi. I wish that there was

Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-31 Thread Dieter Maurer
Peter Bengtsson wrote at 2006-1-31 13:05 +: ... But that's what I'm doing! Thanks to Dieter I've got som genuine technical help on what it might be instead of just people saying that's not how I do it, give up I am an enthusiastic refresh user and find is *MUCH* more productive than the

[Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-30 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Bengtsson wrote: On 1/30/06, Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Bengtsson schrieb: Suppose my code looks like this:: class MyProduct(Folder): blablabla print class MyProduct has just been reloaded Then I start zope with

Re: [Zope] Re: Product refreshing in Zope 2.9

2006-01-30 Thread Peter Bengtsson
For those interested I've put together a little basic zope python product here: http://www.peterbe.com/zope/2.9-refresh-reproduction/MyProduct.tgz To reproduce the refreshing problem: install this product, start zope, change something in the index_html() method, go to