Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Sascha Welter
(Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 06:46:23PM -0400) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote/schrieb/egrapse: > From: Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "ZClasses" feature prominently in the Zope book. > > Seems they are more recommended than the new development paradigm (which > does not yet feature at all in the Zope book

Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Apr 6, 2005, at 6:59, Andreas Jung wrote: --On Dienstag, 5. April 2005 16:38 Uhr -0400 Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And that is probably the best arguement for keeping them around longer. We should get to the point: if some people depend on ZClasses then they should take over some respon

Re: [Zope] Re: login page problem

2005-04-06 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Apr 6, 2005, at 0:52, Chris Withers wrote: Dieter Maurer wrote: exUserFolder has built in caching (positive and negative caches), Dunno what that means, but SUF supports caching via standard RAMCacheManagers or ZSQL method caching. "negative" caching means that there is a separate cache to cach

Re: [Zope] Set MIME type using ZPT

2005-04-06 Thread Cliff Ford
srikanth wrote: Hi, I tried this one. But the html page takes the parameter as a string but doenst Execute the pyhton function. I got all the functions (External methods) all set. The img tag I used is: Have a look at the generated html source. You have not said wither the probem is a mal-fo

RE: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Pascal Peregrina
About archetypes... Documentation http://plone.org/documentation/archetypes Nice presentation (in French) : http://lsm2004.abul.org/IMG/pdf/slides_-_zope_archetypes_-_Gilles_Lenfant_.p df (look at the links on page 35) Pascal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PRO

Re: [Zope] "segregated" users

2005-04-06 Thread Cliff Ford
It is possible, I have done something similar. My solution involves giving users a Local Role in a folder to which access is to be granted. I built a small utility (with ZClasses - doh) to make it easy for the Administrators to add users from a database. Cliff Tim Evans wrote: I apologize if th

Re: [Zope] Re: login page problem

2005-04-06 Thread Cliff Ford
I am not sure I have much to add. I have been concerned about your product architecture and unusual login procedure, but that is really non of my business. Some of what you say below is inconsistent: > One problem that concerns next query is that it took only one table > for user details whereas

Re: [Zope] Plone/Zope on Debian Sarge

2005-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Don't install Zope from OS packages like debian, they never get it right and you will just end up getting confused ;-) I don't come to this conclusion at all. That's 'cos you haven't run into the problems that come with using OS packages and the added level of maintene

Re: [Zope] Plone/Zope on Debian Sarge

2005-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
charlie derr wrote: I (a relative zope amateur) would offer my own counter-experience. I recently set up zope-coreblog and zope2.7 (using packages from debian sarge/testing), and it's been running with very few issues for several months (and I additionally was able to get ldap integration worki

Re: [Zope] Re: login page problem

2005-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: "negative" caching means that there is a separate cache to cache failed user lookups for a while and return a failure immediately instead of re-trying the user lookup doing a (possibly expensive) user search in the underlying backend.It's a little bit like Squids negative_t

[Zope] login system discussion

2005-04-06 Thread prabuddha ray
I'm often failing to describe problems correctly, kindly bear for that. lets revise, In my login page I've two tables used district and userdetail. district table ( district_code, distname, location ...) userdetail (username ,password, empcode ,district_code ,ulevel ...) use

[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2005, at 6:59, Andreas Jung wrote: > >> >> >> --On Dienstag, 5. April 2005 16:38 Uhr -0400 Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> And that is probably the best arguement for keeping them around longer. >> >> >>

Re: [Zope] ClockServer 0.1 released

2005-04-06 Thread Florent Guillaume
Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was creeped out by Zope scheduling products that started a separate > thread to call methods at scheduled intervals and I got tired of setting > up cron+wget to call Zope methods via HTTP, thus: > > http://plope.com/software/ClockServer > > It work

Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Lennart Regebro
> I don't know if I'm living under a rock or something, but I'm using Zope > on and off since about 2.5.1, and I've barely heard about archetypes. > So far I did not come across a simple introduction, tutorial, > or even explanation of them. The "new stuff" mentioned on this thread is the zope 3 c

Re: [Zope] ClockServer 0.1 released

2005-04-06 Thread Chris McDonough
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 11:05, Florent Guillaume wrote: > Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was creeped out by Zope scheduling products that started a separate > > thread to call methods at scheduled intervals and I got tired of setting > > up cron+wget to call Zope methods via HTTP,

Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Ausum Studio
Is this a kafkanian situation? Are really core developers asking the community to kick a used Zope's feature, saying it's because it's hard to maintain it, and simultaneously to say it's code 'unmaintained and untouched since ages'? Folks, you didn't need to ask for the aproval of people who didn't

Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On Mittwoch, 6. April 2005 12:59 Uhr -0500 Ausum Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is this a kafkanian situation? Are really core developers asking the community to kick a used Zope's feature, saying it's because it's hard to maintain it, and simultaneously to say it's code 'unmaintained and u

Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Jonathan Cyr
Yoohoo, ZClasses are not an expert technology to use, they are an introduction to Zope... Just because I use a thing, doesn't mean I can support/maintain a thing.  I can read the list, and try to help folks with questions that I've experienced... that's the support that can be offered at my sk

Re: [Zope] Product creation difficulty

2005-04-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Pete Taylor wrote at 2005-4-5 15:09 -0400: >Does anyone have a recommendation for a Product creation guide/tutorial >they've used and made work, preferably one with examples and explanations of >_ac_permissions The "Zope Developer Guide" is the relevant documentation. -- Dieter _

Re: [Zope] Multiple Browser Id Managers question

2005-04-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
David H wrote at 2005-4-5 12:46 -0700: > ... >But I find that I *can* add additional Browser Id Managers in folders >that can acquire the original browser id manager - without deleting the >default copy in Zope root. >Any thought ideas on this? Does the principal still stand, e.g. "Not >good t

Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tres Seaver wrote at 2005-4-6 09:47 -0400: > ... >Perhaps once Jim's current work lands, that might be possible. As it >is, most of the work to make ZClasses function in Zope 2.8 has been at >the ZODB level (I think); I doubt that anyone (except Dieter!) plans to >dive from the frying pan of ZCla

Re: [Zope] "segregated" users

2005-04-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tim Evans wrote at 2005-4-5 16:23 -0500: > ... >The company I work for would like to provide documents to clients via >the web, and only allow one particular client (or group of users from >the same client) access to those documents. I don't want any user to >be able to detect the presence of any

Re: [Zope] Re: login page problem

2005-04-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2005-4-6 10:04 +0100: > ... >Oh right, well, again, should be fairly trivial to setup with python >scripts and RAMCacheManagers. When I called "exUserFolder" a big brother of "SimpleUserFolder" I did not want to imply that you can not add all the missing features to "Simple

Re: [Zope] Re: login page problem

2005-04-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2005-4-5 23:52 +0100: >Dieter Maurer wrote: >> exUserFolder has built in caching (positive and negative caches), > >Dunno what that means, but SUF supports caching via standard >RAMCacheManagers That sounds very strange: user objects cached in a RAMCacheManager... >or ZSQL

[Zope] how to instantiate an External Method

2005-04-06 Thread Wladmir Araujo Chapetta
How can i instantiate a external method within my Container Product? I've tryed to do this as following: ... from Products.ExternalMethod import ExternalMethod class Container(Folder): meta_type ='Container' def __init__(self, id, title): self.i

Re: [Zope] Problem with Z Psycopg

2005-04-06 Thread Barry Pederson
Jeff Gentry wrote: > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Dieter Maurer wrote: >>Usually, this means that the postgres server process died... > > I did run into something recently where the local firewall was killing the > connection to the DB server due to a timeout, so one of the local admin > types wrote a smal

Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On Mittwoch, 6. April 2005 16:06 Uhr -0400 Jonathan Cyr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yoohoo, ZClasses are not an expert technology to use, they are an introduction to Zope... Just because I use a thing, doesn't mean I can support/maintain a thing. I can read the list, and try to help folks with

[Zope] login system discussion

2005-04-06 Thread prabuddha ray
I'm often failing to describe problems correctly, kindly bear for that. lets revise, In my login page I've two tables used district and userdetail. district table ( district_code, distname, location ...) userdetail (username ,password, empcode ,district_code ,ulevel ...) use

Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?

2005-04-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jonathan Cyr wrote at 2005-4-6 16:06 -0400: >... just show me how under-represented that beginner and intermediate >Zope developers use this list... and then I think, perhaps there aren't >any, just me and a few others... and if that's the case, Zope's screwed, >and the horse I rode in on. Do n

[Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate

2005-04-06 Thread Andrew Milton
I think people on this list need to realize that eventually, the direction of any significantly large Open Source project is hijacked by the relatively small number of people actually doing the work. The reasons for this are many-fold, but, normally come down to a lack of communication between the

Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate

2005-04-06 Thread David H
Andrew Milton wrote: I think people on this list need to realize that eventually, the direction of any significantly large Open Source project is hijacked by the relatively small number of people actually doing the work. The reasons for this are many-fold, but, normally come down to a lack of commu

Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate

2005-04-06 Thread Phillip Hutchings
What gives us the right to dictate what features these people give up their time to work on? Sure, Zope (the company) pays some, but others seem to do it for no direct reward, other than the Zope program. I admire these people, I have no idea what goes through Zope, though I might look at fixin

Re: [Zope] login system discussion

2005-04-06 Thread prabuddha ray
ok, i get it. So what is the way to set a request form var in the python script. On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:55:33 -0300, Jose Henrique dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your request.set puts 'invalid' in request/other, not in request/form. > > Zenrique -- Share the vision of difference with ME

Re: RES: [Zope] login system discussion

2005-04-06 Thread prabuddha ray
Ok i get it, please tell me the way to set a request form var in a python script On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:55:33 -0300, Jose Henrique dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your request.set puts 'invalid' in request/other, not in request/form. > > Zenrique > -- Share the vision of differ