[Zope] Anyone built a classifieds or review product?
On my list of products that I would like to build / help build ZCLassifieds: A product that allows users to post classifieds for sale with categories, pictures, start and end dates, email contacts, etc. Could be anonymous or require a log in that plays upon the strengths of Zope. ZReview: A generic review product that allows people to post reviews of "things" and have other people comment on the review. A lot of what is in Zope Treasures but maybe with pictures etc. Has anyone starting building these, need these, or would be interested in helping build these? J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] cookies
http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/cookies/index_html That should help. J From: "Vincent Maton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:45:55 +0200 To: "Zope" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] cookies Hello !!! can you tell me how can I use the "cookies" Thank you very much ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZDiscussions and Zope 2.2
Good.. that means that it was an inherited problem. :) J From: Gidon Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:08:25 +0200 To: "J. Atwood" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] ZDiscussions and Zope 2.2 I used the old ZDiscussions 0.2, but i installed the new ZDiscussions 0.3.2 now, and the results are _exactly_ the same. cheers gidon Are you using the old ZDiscussions or ZUBB? I have not had the time to fix ZUBB to work with 2.2 but will try this weekend. J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Products and 2.2 Final
Mine ZUBB - Zope Ultimate Bulletin Board But that is not important here. It would be nice if someone could compile a list of products that are 2.2 compatible. JMA From: Rogerio Atem de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:11:35 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] Products and 2.2 Final Just a simple question: I am using 2.1.6 with LocalFS, CachePool, SQL Input Wizard, MetaPublisher and others... I am thinking now in upgrading to 2.2 final. Is there any product that is not compatible with 2.2 final? regards, Rogerio Atem --- E-mail enviado pelo servidor do CEFETCampos ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] New How-To on Cookies (need feedack)
I started a little how-to on cookies. Take a look and send your feedback. http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/cookies/index_html J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Writing a Zope Help System
Has anyone posted a help on writing Zope help into your product for 2.2? J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Stability - can you give us some advice?
I have about 8 Zope websites of varying sizes and complexities. Early on when I was developing in Zope I had it hang a few times but since then (and I have done a lot of stuff for the last six months) I have really never had it hang. Two of the sites use PostgreSQL (6.5.3 and 7.0) and four of them are served off of one instance and an old Pentium 166. It has been my experience that Zope itself (non-betas which you should never be using in a production environment) is very stable and only hang due to OS issues or really bad DTML coding (loops). If the problems continue I would suggest trying a different OS environment (I am a very very happy RH Linux person). J At 1:50 AM -0300 7/7/2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm new to this list (to Zope too!)and I'm really impressed with its traffic. This show us that this project is in active development. In our company we are currently working to create a Web site with lots of dynamic content, database access, webmail, etc.. so we decided to try Zope. Although it's lack of documentation ( this would not be fair, with a search engine we can dig out lots of useful info from the web) we experienced a very fast development cycle. Now we're concerned about its stability. We are almost finishing the first stage of project and some times Zope hangs. It was working ok, and then, all of a sudden, it just stops answers requests. Last time it happend we changed a DTML Method to a DTML Document and it worked again (if you like i'll try to tell you exactly what was happenning). So, I'd like some advice to make it more stable. ( or tell me what i might be doing wrong) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Is Zope slow?
I have a lot of time and exposure to Tomcat so it made it easy for me to run those tests (BTW, now in production, on the same machine Zope is about 3 times faster!) but none really with PHP or Mason. In the end of the day, though, as most of the people have been saying on this list, you really shouldn't be focusing on comparing the raw speed of two totally different applications with different feature sets. I would challenge you to find something as powerful /useful / extendable as Zope written in any language and if you did, we could run those benchmarks. What I *would* suggest focusing on is can Zope provide you with the right amount of features and functionality and can you scale it? So, and god willing, your site that you build in Zope goes from 0-1,000,000 hits a day, can you handle it? The answer is yes (a mix of Pentium, 256 MB Ram and fast drives with Linux will do that). What about if you double that or go to 10,000,000 a day? Well, that is where ZEO and load balancing will come in. I can personally tell you that you could set up four Pentium 300 MHz Zope installations running a ZEO instance behind a load balance (not nearly are complicated as it seems) and you would be able to handle most of your Yahoo dreams. So, keep researching, asking the right questions and looking for those answers but don't get caught up in the benchmarking game too long, it is only one very small piece to the equation. Good luck. J At 10:19 PM -0400 7/6/2000, Firestar wrote: Thanks for your info. The benchmarks look impressive! However, what would be interesting is how Zope performs compared to Apache+PHP or mod_perl/mason and other open-source solutions... If you happen (and have the time) to compare them, do tell me:) regards, firestar --Original Message-- From: "J. Atwood" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Firestar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 6, 2000 2:55:02 PM GMT Subject: Re: [Zope] Is Zope slow? No. Not when compared to other applications that do the same *type* of thing (which there are very very few). Check out an interesting set of benchmarks I ran against Zope and Tomcat connecting to a PostgreSQL database. http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/benchmarks.html J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Is Zope slow?
Well, i don't think my site will ever get that much hits:) Anyway, i check out Digicool website on this ZEO thing, and it seems that they charge abt $25,000 for this product alone(+consulting)? Not to belittle their effort, but that's a huge amount of money, considering that everything nowadays is "open-source":). Or did i interpret it wrongly? TIA. ZEO is open source now. It used to be (a few months ago) that $25,000 but now is completely open source (search for ZEO on Zope.org). It is in Alpha/Beta and will be out soon. It probably one of the biggest things that gets the littlest attention. It will bring Zope to a whole new level of scaling the only 1,000,000 solutions offer now. J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Is Zope slow?
No. Not when compared to other applications that do the same *type* of thing (which there are very very few). Check out an interesting set of benchmarks I ran against Zope and Tomcat connecting to a PostgreSQL database. http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/benchmarks.html J From: Firestar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:13:32 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] Is Zope slow? Hi, I'm considering using Zope as the development tool for my next web project. However, I read from a recent benchmark test (from Qube, i think) that Zope(running thru Zserver?) is much SLOWER than Apache and AOLserver. Is that true? To all Zope users and 'guru's, what is yr experience using Zope? ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Confera problem
Confera is pretty old I would try ZDiscussions, ZUBB or Squishdot. J At 12:30 PM +1000 7/3/2000, Terry Kerr wrote: Hi, I just downloaded Confera-1.2.0-nonbin.tgz, installed it, and created a Confera topic instance. I posted a mesage to the topic, and then posted a reply to this messge. This is what i get: Traceback (innermost last): File /home/tejay/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 214, in publish_module File /home/tejay/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 179, in publish File /home/tejay/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 202, in zpublisher_exception_hook File /home/tejay/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 165, in publish File /home/tejay/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: addMessage) File /home/tejay/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 102, in call_object (Object: addMessage) File lib/python/Products/Confera/Confera.py, line 565, in addMessage File /var/tmp/python-root/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.py, line 38, in gsub AttributeError: (see above) Has any one had this problem? I don't really have time to go hunting for the problem at the moment. I am running a Zope 2.1.6 from src on RH linux 6.2. terry -- Terry Kerr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adroit Internet Solutions Pty Ltd (www.adroit.net) Phone: +613 9563 4461 Fax: +613 9563 3856 Mobile: +61 414 938 124 ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Available Object List (Was Re: [Zope] GOOD)
they should put their "Available Object" white box, you know what I mean ? -ABOVE- the files. See, when you have 900 files in one directory, Aye! I second that. I know it is bad behavior to just say "me too" and send it to the list.. but... ME TOO! This is one of those things that would seem like it would take DC about 10 minutes to do and would greatly improve our (Zope Programmers) lives. What say DC? 2.2b4? J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Passing Parameter without ?
http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/HowTos/direct_traversal That might get you started.. it applies to most of what Zope can do. J From: saif [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:33:00 +0530 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] Passing Parameter without ? Hi, How do u pass parameter from one html page to another without using ? and REQUEST. i.e I wnat to pass the parameter as /. eg:- www.localhost.com/para1/para2 Thanzs for the help Saif... http://systemprg.hypermart.net ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Getting anonymous permissions
This should be easy, but has me a little confused.
to get a an AUTHENTICATED_USER permission I use...
dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_permission('Permission Name', '')"
Do something
/dtml-if
But how do I test to see if ANONYMOUS has a permission?
Thanks,
J
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Re: [Zope] Getting anonymous permissions
so
dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_permission('View', '')"
Do something
/dtml-if
Should work, but does not.
J
From: Oleg Broytmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:36:36 + (GMT)
To: "J. Atwood" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zope] Getting anonymous permissions
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, J. Atwood wrote:
But how do I test to see if ANONYMOUS has a permission?
Anonymous is AUTHENTICATED_USER, too :)
Oleg.(All opinions are mine and not of my employer)
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[Zope] Writing to LocalFS
(thanks to Jonathon and Dieter... for the permissions problem. That
did the trick)
Again, after some searching, I am looking for the syntax to write a
file / append to a file in a Local File System.
This is certainly where my Python days seem to slow my down b/c I
would have just:
contents = open('/path/file.txt', "r")
to read and
contents = open('/path/file.txt', "a")
to append.
I am sure that I am missing some bit of Zope Zen here...
Please point me in the right direction...
J
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Re: [Zope] ZDiscussions Problem
Title: Re: [Zope] ZDiscussions Problem Hey Pete, Your choices are really Confera (very old), ZDiscussions (semi old and not supported), ZUBB (pretty new, but may not do what you want), Squishdot (sounds more what you want) and waiting for the PTK (may or may not have you want). I can only really talk about ZUBB, though. ZUBB is used as a object with all the messages in the object. I have not heard of anyone successfully calling the index_html object from outside of the folder (nor have I tried). The topic runs in its own space and can be included as a part site by linking to it. (You can probably do some counts of messages or other things from outside the object though). If you are looking to have a discussion follow every article/person/page Squishdot is your better bet. J At 10:54 AM +1200 6/21/2000, Pete Black wrote: First up, i'd like to whine a bit. WHINE-MODE ON Which product should i use to add a Discussion component to my site? Confera? ZDConfera? ZDiscussions? ZUBB? Squishdot? PTK? Was the Zope 'Portal' deliberately designed to obfuscate the choices available and their respective pros/cons, as well as to make it practically impossible to find useful documentation, or has it just happened this way? I'm just about ready to give up on Zope and go back to hacking Perl, because, even though i have to write 10 times as much difficult-to-read code to get a job done, at least i know that the job is doable, doable in a way that suits me, and that if there is a module to do what i want to do, it will be findable and documented on CPAN. WHINE-MODE OFF I don't like to whine, and i think Zope promises to be a great product, and i am persevering with it because i think it will (once i get implemetation out of the way) make me a great intranet. Many thanks to the developers, you have, on the whole, done a wonderful job. Anyway, my problem is this: I have a ZDiscussion set up in a folder (off the root folder) called TMLDiscussion. I want to put the contents of the discussion in the index_html method of my root folder. So, i put the following in my root index_html method: dtml-with TMLDiscussion /dtml-with (normally there would be code beteen those two tags to output a dtml-tree of messages in the TMLDiscussion object) Even with nothing between the dtml-with tags, i get this error: Error Type: NameError Error Value: r Whats going on? And how do i display the discussion on my index page? Thanks for any Help -Pete
Re: [Zope] Newspaper site
Powered By Sites: http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/zope.html and the best really.. http://weblogs.userland.com/zopeNewbies/zopesites/ You should find a good combination of content/newspaper sites there. Also take a look at the KM news product. http://www.zope.org/Members/taz/kmnn Good luck, JMA At 12:13 PM +0200 6/21/2000, Wesley Anderson wrote: Hi all, I'm just wondering if there are any newspaper/magazine sites out there that are using ZOPE for content management and subscriber management. I wouldn't think it would be suitable, but what do you think of using Squishdot for this purpose? Also, is there a list of "powered by" sites on zope.org? I'm doing a site that has both public and private content - hence the need for subscriber-based access. Thanks much Wesley ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Local File System (LocalFS) install problems
(I have searched the newsgroups and zope.org) I downloaded and installed LocalFS (untar in zope dir) restarted Zope (2.1.6 on Linux running as Nobody). The Local File System is an available object but when I try to add it to any folder I get.. Error Type: IOError Error Value: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/LocalFS/methodAdd.dtml' And: Traceback (innermost last): File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 214, in publish_module File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 179, in publish File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 202, in zpublisher_exception_hook File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 165, in publish File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: methodAdd) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 102, in call_object (Object: methodAdd) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 120, in __call__ (Object: methodAdd) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 443, in __call__ (Object: methodAdd) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 381, in cook (Object: methodAdd) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 374, in read (Object: methodAdd) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 538, in read_raw (Object: methodAdd) IOError: (see above) I tried changing some of the permissions but to no avail. J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Validating page entry help
I find the best way is to do dtml-if itemdtml-var itemdtml-else* needed/dtml-if on the fields of the form and have dtml-try trying to do something with all the values (email, write, update database). If they are not all there it brings you back the the form (I always build it in one method which makes it easier). Examples: http://market.gotschool.com/register.html?type=school - in production so leave out your email http://fundraising.gotschool.com/tell_a_friend.html J From: Stuart Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:39:48 -0700 To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] Validating page entry help I was wondering what the best way to validate a users input on a page. Currently I submit a page to an interim page that checks for certain values using dtml-if's and dtml-unless'. If everything is fine I go on to the next page. If something is missing I need to go back, I haven't figured out how to do this part. If I use META HTTP-EQUIV="refresh" content=5;URL=dtml-var "REQUEST['HTTP_REFERER']" all the input is lost from the form. So my questions are: 1. What is the best way to do page validation before it is submited. 2. If the way I am doing it seems to be an ok way, how do I go BACK with out losing everything (equivalent of pressing the back button) Stuart Foster MediServe Information Systems http://www.mediserve.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does Zope support user authentication, sessions, etc?
From the specifications given, my first thought is to implement it in object-oriented way of programming. Zope (being open-source and OOP from ground-up) naturally came to mind. Therefore, i would like to know whether Zope is suitable (and stable enough) to develop this kind of websites, bearing in mind other criteria such as scalability, performance, and the "learning curve" involved. Yes. Yes and steep. (scalability = ZEO, performance is good, learning curve a bit steep) I have done programming in PHP before, and AFAIK to implement features such as user-authentication, sessions and permissions in PHP, we can either write our own libraries, or use PHPLIB. However, looking at PHPLIB, it seems to be quite buggy, and require a lot of work re-writing for some of its functions. Therefore, I would also like to know whether there's any authentication/session management modules(or classes) already written for Zope, and if they exist, is it easy to implement them(as in as easy as plug-and play, or a lot of coding required)? Zope has its own authentication/session management built in. You will see this when you set up your first Zope and go to manage something. There are a few products out there that let you create better login/user management as well as some that you can connect to SQL databases or LDAP. A new product in the works it the PTK (Portal Tool Kit) that will have a lot of this built into it. My suggestion: Start poking around Zope.org, read up on the stuff there and download and install Zope. That will give you a better idea of what you are dealing with. J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Help with Zope/Python Evangelism
http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/zope.html My collection of articles and sites also study the case studies on Zope.org as well as Zope Newbies. J From: Joseph Santaniello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:17:13 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] Help with Zope/Python Evangelism Hello Everyone, I've been using Zope and Python in my own projects for over a year now, and I am convinced well beyond a shodow of a doubt that "Zope Is The Answer" and have used it for several of our internal applications, and use Python almost exclusivly for our scripting needs. Here's the problem: Our main outside vendor (whom all managment besides me are very happy with) has a new agenda for forward development: "Industry Standards" such as Delphi (for backend!) and other things I deem silly. So I need as much information as anyone is willing to share on Zope/Python implementations in as large/corporate a setting as possible. Thanks, Joe PS: I've seen all the listings on the Python and Zope websites, but I need more! -- Joseph Santaniello Chief Technology Officer Westlake Financial Services 4751 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 100 Los Angeles, CA 90010 (323) 692 4129 http://www.westlakefinancial.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Costs of implementation
At 8:32 AM +0200 6/13/2000, D Swart wrote: I am trying to motivate the use of Zope / Zcommerce, and to do this need some timing ideas - Does anyone have thoughts on how long (man hours per expertise) it took them to go from no Zope to (Zope + Steve Spickelmire and Co's EMarket) and to a successful transaction? From 0 to Zope in under 6.2 seconds! :) If you are totally new (no Zope in your blood) here is what I would expect. This does take into account that you know "something" about programming and variables and really good HTML as well as some server stuff (how to set up, IP addresses, shell scripts). I have put what it would take a Zopista in parenthesis (not me though, I only play one on the web). 1 day (1 hour) - Install Zope 1 day (done) - Download, print, read all guides and "howtos" 5 Days (2 days) - To get a basic site up and running. Log in, look and feel, tested, management, feel the power of Zope 1 day (2 hours) - Set up database backend and connect 5 days (2 days) - Build catalog system, Z SQL Methods, etc 2 days (2 days) - testing, testing, testing This is very rough but should be around the amount of time. This does mean full "developing days" which are about 10-14 hours. I don't know about transactions so you might want to pad it a bit. I will say though, that once you get into developing with Zope you realize just how fast you can develop new products with it. It is an amazing working environment. J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Selling Enhydra? Could they do this to Zope?
https://www.releasesoftware.com/_lutrisstore/cgi-bin/pd.cgi?sources=source= lutris09 I just came across this when surfing on /. They are basically selling a "boxed" version of Enhydra (a Open Source Java Web Application Development Environment) and support. I guess this fits into the Red Hat / Linux model but would it work for Zope? Good? Bad? BTW: 2.0b1 is great. WebDav works well (although not sure what it gives beyond FTP and the management interface). I have not done any benchmarks but... might. J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Costs of implementation
Well, if you added it all up I was talking about 96 hours of development (8 days x 12 hours) which is a lot to bring up a site in Zope. I agree it does depend on the person but I have had graphics people once given a 10 minute intro to Zope not only start playing around with DTML but doing quick if/then statements. OO helps, and Python can help but some of things are not exactly the same as Python and TOO much Python can hurt. I wise man once said.. "There are only three timelines for programmers: 1) Something that can be done in 20 minutes 2) Something that can be done in a day 3) Something that can be done in a year" J From: Dan Rusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:36:16 -0500 To: "J. Atwood" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: D Swart [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] Costs of implementation I think that the timeline J provided is unrealistically optimistic. The amount of time it will take someone to go from 0 to Zope varies wildly. We have had developers come in and in a matter of a few days they are very productive. Others take much longer. Several things affect this. Someone to show you the ropes being primary. Previous knowledge, especially in OOP and in python or pythonish language, is also crucial. So how long depends on you. If you don't have someone who knows Zope and python expect to struggle up the near vertical learning curve of Zope. After helping to train several people on Zope I would recommend not reading any Zope documentation until after you understand python. In other words, learn the basics of python first. Know what a list, dictionary and tuple are and their syntax and operations and many of the mysteries of Zope will be cleared up (i.e. when do you need tics instead of quotes etc.). After garnishing a working knowledge (you don't need to be a Zen master of python) of python ,then read the Zope documentation and start working in Zope. Just my experience working with newbies. Dan "J. Atwood" wrote: At 8:32 AM +0200 6/13/2000, D Swart wrote: I am trying to motivate the use of Zope / Zcommerce, and to do this need some timing ideas - Does anyone have thoughts on how long (man hours per expertise) it took them to go from no Zope to (Zope + Steve Spickelmire and Co's EMarket) and to a successful transaction? From 0 to Zope in under 6.2 seconds! :) If you are totally new (no Zope in your blood) here is what I would expect. This does take into account that you know "something" about programming and variables and really good HTML as well as some server stuff (how to set up, IP addresses, shell scripts). I have put what it would take a Zopista in parenthesis (not me though, I only play one on the web). 1 day (1 hour) - Install Zope 1 day (done) - Download, print, read all guides and "howtos" 5 Days (2 days) - To get a basic site up and running. Log in, look and feel, tested, management, feel the power of Zope 1 day (2 hours) - Set up database backend and connect 5 days (2 days) - Build catalog system, Z SQL Methods, etc 2 days (2 days) - testing, testing, testing This is very rough but should be around the amount of time. This does mean full "developing days" which are about 10-14 hours. I don't know about transactions so you might want to pad it a bit. I will say though, that once you get into developing with Zope you realize just how fast you can develop new products with it. It is an amazing working environment. J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] What is favicon.ico and why is it an error?
At 9:43 AM +0100 6/9/2000, Toby Dickenson wrote: The user wont see error; just the default icon in the favorites menu. You are correct. They don't see the error but it still produces a Zope error. Add this to the many reasons that I hate MIE! do you have a robots.txt, or are webcrawlers evil too? ;-) This, on the other hand, does not product a Zope error, just is logged as a 404. It is also useful in keeping search engines away from certain areas of your site. The favicon.ico trick really has no use, no functionality, no deeming qualities. M$ also did it in a bitmap as opposed to a jpg/gif which makes it much bigger than it should be. It also tells the server that a user has bookmarked your site, which to some users might seem like yet another breach of privacy. J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ANN: ZUBB 0.3.2 (Zope Ultimate Bulletin Board)
http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/ZUBB/ A few bugs fixed. A few more features added. Almost ready for prime time. Take a look and email me with your comments. If you are using it and would like to be linked to as an "example" site please send me the url. The idea is to make sure the release works and then submit it for cataloging on Zope.org. Thanks, J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ANN: ZUBB 0.3.2 (Zope Ultimate Bulletin Board)
At 11:31 AM +1300 6/9/2000, Graham Chiu wrote: How about default sorting the message threads so that the thread with the most recent reply is at the top? This would be possible but I think it would be confusing to the user (posts would jump to the top). See below... And instead of just having the number of messages in a thread in brackets at the end of the thread header, also include the last date, or the number of new messages since the visitor last was at the ZUBB ( since you're using a persistent cookie )? I would love to add the ability to include the "last viewed" cookie feature. I will add it to the future feature list. The big thing on my plate though, is how to limit the amount of threads shown. Once you get beyond 100 or so I am worried about performance and download size. If anyone has any knowledge about limiting tree views that would be great. Thanks, J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] What is favicon.ico and why is it an error?
I have a few Zope sites email me any error reports and both of the sites (different machines) get this error about two or three times a day. Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 151, in publish File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/SiteAccess/ChangeBehaviors.py,line 124, in traverse File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/OFS/Application.py, line 249, in __bobo_traverse__ (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py, line 511, in notFoundError As it looks for this "favicon.ico" Anyone seen this? It is happening on two different instatallations (2.1.4, 2.1.6) on RH Linux 6.1 Thanks, J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] www.mysite.com/Members/someone
Ian, Make "Members" a DTML Method and inside that method you call a ZSQL Method (made previously) that takes the parameter of 'userid=name'. Store the name of the member in the cookie and when the visit /members/ or /members/name it gets all the data from the SQL Database and publishes it any way you want. Build any other functionality in the "Members" DTML Method to allow for /members/name/preferences or any other parameter you want to pass it. Just pick it up in an DTML-IF statement and do the rest. Good luck. J The thought I had was that "Members" could be a SQL method which takes "username" as a parameter, Ian then is passed in as that Username and the necessary data is pulled from the DB. This is fine except that I still need some other method to render the HTML page for delivery to the user and this would extend my url to : www.mysite.com/Members/Ian/rendermethod. The other problem with this is that it clutters the root with the Members SQLMethod and the rendermethod DTML document. I might start adding more URL's like : www.mysite.com/Members/Ian/preferences or www.mysite.com/Members/Ian/pastposts and the "preferences" and "pastposts" documents would end up in the root too. All these things belong in a Members folder, not at the root. I'm missing something important, I'd appreciate any enlightenment you could bring to this. - Ian. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] !--#var title-- = Zope ?!
"Zope" is the name of the main folder so when you do dtml-var title you are getting that folder's title. dtml-var title_or_id will give you the title or id of the object that it is within (DTML Document title or id). That is probably what you want. J At 1:53 PM +0200 6/6/2000, Jonathan wrote: Hi all, Don't know if this has been discussed before, but I am experiencing a weird problem with 'title' and 'title_or_id'; no matter what I specify as 'title' value, Zope returns 'Zope' (every page is titled 'Zope') Vanilla binary install of Zope 2.1.6, just started a new project. Any ideas? Thnx Jonathan ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] tree state cookie
I don't think you can disable the tree storing a cookie. I must say though, it is going to get harder and hard to find sites that don't use cookies. It is doable, but not pretty. Cookies are good for you (if you eat them sparingly) :) J Howdy! I just recently got complaints from people visiting my web site. They have activated the "website wants to set cookie" alarm and they got lots of alarms when visiting my website. Since I never use any cookies it wasn't hard to find the cause: I wasn't aware that trees use cookies to store their state. Is there an option to disable this? (Cuz I don't want no cookies;) --Ragnar ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZDiscussions and Zope 2.2
What version are you using? J From: "Cary O'Brien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:31:44 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] ZDiscussions and Zope 2.2 I can't seem to add a ZDiscussions topic any more. I keep getting authorization failures. Managers are allowed to all zdiscussion topics on the security page, though. Is this related to the problem with ZSQL queries and the new permissions scheme with 2.2? -- cary ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Feeling like a newbie.. document id if statement?
Ok.. this is really dumb, but for some reason I can't get this to work. dtml-if "id=='index_html'" do something cool /dtml-if What am I missing? I tried it on a few pages.. nothing.. Thanks, J (duffus) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] HELP: problems with ZServer Medusa!
Check the permissions on the var directory. J From: Seb Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:04:00 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Zope] HELP: problems with ZServer Medusa! does /usr/Zope-2.2.0a1-src/var/z2.pid exist? if not, touch z2.pid and try again. seb. Hi All, I have installed Zope on a Linux server (Slackware 7.0) apparently without problems; but, when I start the server with the command: ./start, I have in continuous this message error: -- INFO(0) ZServer Monitor Server (V.1.6) started on port 8099 Raceback (innermost last): File "/usr/Zope-2.2.0a1-src/z2.py", line 698, in ? pf=open(PID_FILE, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied '/usr/Zope-2.2.0a1-src/var/z2.pid' ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope concepts
Title: Re: [Zope] Zope concepts I intend to build an intranet with zope...though it's not as simple as that...I'd like 90% of the site to be password protected (giving access to members of my company)...do I use acl_users for this? Yes or any of the other models (UserDB, etc) I'd also like parts of the site to be accessible (and maybe manageable albeit minimally) by clientsDo I have to create a second user/access model for this or can I use the acl_users to do this for me too. Yup. Create a role for them and limit that role. I'm having problems a. Making the acl_user stuff work...I can either login as admin or not all. and b. Getting to grips with the concept of the user/privs/access model in acl_users Create a user, give them a role and they will inherit all of the access levels of that role. Create a new role and give that role different access levels and you can manage it better through the role. It is not that much different than most user/group/role access scenarios, in that once you get started using it and understand the basic concepts it will all fit. Remember that users inherit permissions from parent objects which you can turn off if that model does not suit you. J
Re: [Zope] installing products.
in fact I never used a zope product from the zope site. I downloaded the SiteAccess product. what do I have to do to use it??? I was about to just send you the installation instructions when I saw that they are pretty meager. Actually, very. (shame shame) 1) Go to your root Zope directory 2) Unpack (tar, zip) the file 3) Restart Zope To use it consult http://yyy.zope.org/Members/4am/SiteAccess/info The basics are you create a DTML Method in your Zope root directory and tell it about each of the folders and what domain name they are hosting and then in each folder you add a site access instance (from the drop down menu) with nothing in it. J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Advocacy FAQ redux
Shane, The Advocacy FAQ is much need here is some help.. Benchmarks: http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/benchmarks.html Pro Zope Links: http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/zope.html How the competition does it.. Tomcat User Guide: http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html (a really nice start) Enhydra Tour: http://www.enhydra.org/software/enhydra/tour/index.html There are also some of the links at the ZDP. Let me know if you need anything else... I am trying to get involved with the Open Directory Project to get the Zope area cleaned up a bit and that might help as well. J From: srl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:48:11 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] Zope Advocacy FAQ redux So, after poking around on Zope.org for awhile, I haven't found an Advocacy FAQ. Have I missed something? I hope not, because I started one. This is a very rough draft, hacked together from memory. As such, it's quite likely inaccurate on some particulars, and most certainly incomplete. I'll be working on it more over the next few days. If you've got comments or additions, please email me and I'll credit you. To make the Advocay FAQ more complete, I'd love to hear: if you're using Zope in a situation where you had to get management buy-in, what convinced them? What objections did they have, and how did you counter those objections? http://www.zope.org/Members/srl/advocacy_faq PS. this is my first try at any sort of public document for an open-source project. I'd love to hear criticism in email or onlist. srl - Shane Renee Landrum slandrum@cs.smith.edu ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Q; Date / ZCatalog / Search
I too have not been able to get this to work... anyone to help... please? J From: Jørgen Skogstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:25:22 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] Q; Date / ZCatalog / Search Kindest sir, I have a small question I hope someone could share some wisdom with. I am not that familiar with the various objects available within the Zope framework yet. .. I have made a ZCatalog which works seamlessly for text only searches etc. However; I need to search on a date basis on the generated object in the ZCatalog. For now my "date" entry/column is [string] coded.. not "date" as would be apropriate? How can I use date .. and then make a search to get the last 5 entries in a table? http://www.zope.org/Members/Zen/howto/AdvZCatalogSearching .. shows some possible ways to do this; but I can't seem to get them to work properly; dtml-comment Items modified in the last 14 days /dtml-comment dtml-in "Catalog(bobobase_modification_time=_.DateTime(date)-14, bobobase_modification_time_usage='range:min')" New item: dtml-var "Catalog.getpath(data_record_id_)"br /dtml-in .. does anyone have any information on how they have used this and gotten it to work? .. and might have an example or two? ;) What exactly does the various elements in the above example do? .. like "Catalog(bobobase_modification_time=_.DateTime(date)-14, bobobase_modification_time_usage='range:min')" ?? .. mm .. any input? ;) Thanks in advance.. Kindest, Jørgen Skogstad ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Representing rows from a ZSQL method
Good and bad news.. There is no real "product" to do this.. but it is not at all hard to do with Zope tools.. For example: -Displaying an order on the web with the order header (consisting of the client name, address, ZIP, etc.) and the order lines with the products to purchase. This is a combination of a ZSQL Method (to database of you choice) and displayed using a DTML-IN tags. No biggy. -Displaying a list of invoices between two dates with several columns (Invoice date, amount, VAT, invoice number, etc.). Same thing. Create another ZSQL Method that calls the list and display it using DTML-IN to iterate over the list. Display the data you want with the DTML or limit it in the SQL statement. -Displaying a price list of our products with several columns (reference, description, price, weight, etc.) and grouping the products by different criteria. For example inserting a row with the brandname of the next group of products or inserting a row of the product type. Same deal.. same ease.. Take a look at http://fundraising.gotschool.com which is 100% pure Zope with a PostgreSQL backend that serves up almost everything (90% of what you see). I have about 25 ZSQL Methods doing the work for the entire site with lots of database interactivity (reading, writing, updating). Start with the ZSQL Guide some How-Tos, the ZDP and when you get stuck send a message to the group here. Enjoy, J ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
