Regarding Withers suggestion - should we be looking to move these
libraries to the WSGI namespace? Or are there real use cases outside the
web world?
I use zope.component outside of web related development. I don't
really care what namespace it is
in, but zope.component/zope.interface are
I vaguely recall something about PyPy's JIT not being good with
interpreter-style patterns in code - so that might slow down things if
templating is involved.
That would suggest the precompiling chameleon templates to .pt.py
would give a better performance for templates ;-)
Regards,
use in AGX2:
dtml-var description
Vincent
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Tim Hoffman zutes...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Florian
I use a model based generation approach (from enterprise architect)
however
even archgenxml has templates for large amounts of boiler plate under
the
hood
Please note that DTML is a dead (and horrid) technology.
Martin
But zpt is horrible for doing non html/xml based things ;-), What do you
think is good alternative in the zope eco system now
for templating other types of things (sql, python ...) ?
T
;-)
T
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Florian Friesdorf f...@chaoflow.net wrote:
On Sun, Sep 05, 2010 at 08:49:39AM +0800, Tim Hoffman wrote:
Please note that DTML is a dead (and horrid) technology.
Martin
But zpt is horrible for doing non html/xml based things ;-), What do
Please don't drop 2.5 support yet. I use zope.component, zope.interface,
zope.event, zope.lifecyclevent on all my projects on appengine ;-) and that
won't be moving from 2.5 for a while I suspect.
T
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:
On 8/31/10 10:32 ,
Hi
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.euwrote:
Hi.
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Tim Hoffman zutes...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been using zope.pagetemplate for quite some time within repoze.bfg
projects and bobo (+zope.component) on google appengine
Hi Hanno
Actually went back and had a look at my appengine instances, and the
earliest one using zope.pagetemplate has been running
since Aug, 2008 ;-)
T
It might be easier to switch to the new kid, instead of trying to make
the highly integrated zope.pagetemplate work for you.
Its
HI Hanno
Changing the default expression is easy. z3c.pt does exactly that to
keep compatibility with zope.tal.
Just found it too, looks like it might be the right place to start.
The other thing I am trying to find is batch compiling all of the templates.
I can't rely on 100% coverage in
think this is a good idea, I am quite willing work on this (with
guidance ;-), so thoughts, comments welcome.
TIA
Tim Hoffman
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
A: Because it destroys the flow of the conversation
Q: Why is it bad?
A: No, it's bad.
Q: Should I top post in replies to mailing lists?
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 12:26:59PM +0800, Tim Hoffman wrote:
Hi Martin
Hi Martin
Given that its failing on a call to libc I would do a quick run with
strace and ltrace.
(In your case ltrace will be probably be more useful.) You will be
able to see the calls into the libraries and you should see
immediately
if your segfault is inside expat or not. (ltrace output
such as model.MyClass but gae doesn't implement such a thing,
so deferredimport was the next best thing.
T
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Tim Hoffman zutes...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
As Attila pointed out, zope.proxy is possible
Hi
As Attila pointed out, zope.proxy is possible to implement using
peak.util.proxies
if you only want some limited zope.proxy support. You won't get
zope.security going down
this path.
I do that specifically so that I can use zope.deferredimport on app engine.
Below is the awful hacking I do
I got the fish connection straight away.
Not sure its a good move.
T
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote:
Am Montag 04 Januar 2010 20:16:50 schrieb Jan Ulrich Hasecke:
On 04.01.10 19:23, Baiju M wrote:
Hi All,
I am proposing to call Zope 3
Just re-inforcing this I almost never do IFoo. adaption as I am almost
always using
multiadapters and utilities so I completely forget about the IFoo
adaption capability.
Which means I always just write getAdapter as well as it seems more
consistent to
from an api consumption point of view.
T
GAE users and repoze.bfg users as repoze.bfg doesn't use zope.security at all
I did a quick grep and it appears that repoze.bfg never actually loads
zope.component.zcml
so I think if the only dependancies you introduce are via zcml then
you should be ok. And given I am running repoze.bfg on app
Hi
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Please don't add new dependencies to zope.component. Even optional ones,
IMHO. It makes it harder to re-use for others and more complex to
understand. Many people (e.g. those wanting to
I am a !...@head ;-)
Forgot the else: clause in the code I posted. Corrected code is below.
T
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Tim Hoffman t...@zute.net wrote:
Hi Folks
This is a quick and dirty change and to be honest the main reason I am
posting it here is so there is a searchable record
import a module you depend
on but not really import the code until it gets touched
which can allow you to stagger you startup costs. (For instance edit
functionality of a site could be deferred until someone
actually edits something).
Hope this helps someone
Regards
Tim Hoffman
wrote:
Tim Hoffman wrote:
gae/1.333250465889549129/zope/i18nmessageid/_zope_i18nmessageid_message.py,
line 6, in __bootstrap__
imp.load_dynamic(__name__,__file__)
File /base/python_dist/lib/python2.5/py_imp.py, line 116, in load_dynamic
raise NotImplementedError('This function
Hi Jim
That is what I am doing now, the problem I see though is when someone
upates (via buildout etc a) module they need to remember to
remove the recreated file before redeploying the app, unfortunately I
am not sure I see a way reliable way of specifying that these files
should be
Hi Tobias
Cool
Just something to note google recently upped the file limit to 3000 so
don't be too agressive
generating those zips ;-)
T
Great idea to examine EGG-INFO/SOURCES.txt, Jim! I just added this to
my recipe (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/rod.recipe.appengine) and got
rid of the
Hi all
Can I make a suggestion that would make a couple of modules more gae
friendly ;-)
zope.interface and zope.i18nmessageid have 'c' optimisations which
obviously don't work under app engine.
When these modules are imported you get the following exception.
I have to chime in here too
lxml is a real pain and seems to be problematic to get a straightforward
build for packages other than ZTK as well. I have had varying success
building lxml even under ubuntu - success seems to be dependant on the type
of build defined.
T
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at
HI
Big +1 from me on this.
I had to do a whole lot of hacks to get this stuff running on app engine and
basically
had to gut zope.proxy which was ugly and obviously unsupported.
After getting this running which was a big task I decided to go with
repoze.bfg which
just didn't have the security
ugly hacks
was about all I could come up with.
The refactoring going on at the moment is fantastic.
T
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
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Jim Fulton wrote:
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:11 AM, Tim Hoffman wrote
I use zmi as a basic ui for viewing objects bacause we get basic views
for some default content, navigating the object store, and configuring
local security settings on objects, and configuring per instance tools.
And this is mainly because in the early stages of our projects we haven't built
the
I thhink just dropping zmi is ploblematical
without a management ui alternative. How would you propose managing
things like per instance pluggable auth components. zcml is not enough
and nor is any other static config. You need per instance persistent
configuration and I am assuming grok and
that we have taken, and what
if could be the alternative if the Zope 3 app server itself withered?
Rgds
Tim Hoffman
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McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
On 4/11/09 8:10 PM, Tim Hoffman wrote:
If someone where coming to the Zope party now and needed the full
blown security model and view mechanisms, and the zcml tied to that
model what would the choice be going forward?
repoze.bfg has pretty much gutted that model
T
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
On 4/11/09 10:20 PM, Tim Hoffman wrote:
Hi Chris
can I specify security annotations on objects persisted in the zodb as
per zope3/zope2
which are over and above the class/view decleration.
Yes, for instance
Hi Chris
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
On 4/11/09 11:49 PM, Tim Hoffman wrote:
Ok so pretty much the same as the traditional Zope 3 model.
Are you still using the 'c' based zope.security or built your own.
We don't depend on zope.security
Hi
Just on the zope in gae.
I have been hacking away at getting a core of zope running under gae.
(one example is http://baon.appspot.com/ which was a port of an old
portal_toolkit/cmf 1.0 site I used as an excercise)
I am currently using the following packages
app (completely gutted)
Hi
I would like to chime in here on the zcml
I have managed to get a core stack of zope3 running on gae
had to hack a lot of zope.security and zope.proxy to get it there, but
it all works quite well
I found I had to ignore zope.configuration to get most of the base
stack working because the
Hi Shane
In case your not aware Chandler OSAfoundation is basing their
new PIM on RDF/ZODB/Python etc...
if you haven't already it might be worth having a look at how they see
RDF fitting into the picture.
http://www.osafoundation.org/Chandler_rel._0.1.htm
See ya
Tim
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at
Hi
I have always run Zope behind Apache utilising mod_proxy.
I have to admit I never tried or really even evaluated pcgi, and don't
build it when I install Zope.
Is there a benefit of pcgi over using mod_proxy ?
Rgds
Tim Hoffman
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 09:16, Jeff Rush wrote:
Having only
Hi
I wonder why DateTime().parts() results is different to
time.localtime(time.time()) or at least returns less info than the
latter.
It would seem a change to DateTime would be in order ?
Tim
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 06:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope you all don't mind, but I've moved
I have lodged a collector issue on this
Rgds
Tim
On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 04:31, Nils Kassube wrote:
Casey Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The server returns a 200 response status. Strangly, the response
headers do include WWW-Authenticate. So, the xml-rpc code must be
changing the
is acceptable. However because XMLRPC is implemented
on top of http, I would have thought a http approach (ie error 401)
would be used.
It appears that this behaviour is fundamental to Zope and is not an
artifact of cookie auth in CMF etc..
Is this really correct behaviour ?
Regards
Tim Hoffman
behaviour ?
Regards
Tim Hoffman
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2002 10:51 pm, Tim Hoffman wrote:
I have had further from Adam Megacz [EMAIL PROTECTED] the author of XWT
on this issue.
I believe I should raise a collector issue on this, however do
people believe this is a correct assessment of the situation
to the general http spec, in which case Zope would not be
compliant.
-Casey
On Wednesday 14 August 2002 11:59 pm, Tim Hoffman wrote:
Hi Casey
I am using Basic Auth with xmlrpc lib now, and yes it does work with
Python2.1 but that's not my point.
The XML-RPC spec doesn't talk
. Irrespective of whats it's path
is, by using the catalog. I find also that an awfull lot of the time the
metadata is often sufficient without having to retrieve the object.
Regards
Tim
On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 23:44, J C Lawrence wrote:
On 12 Jul 2002 14:43:23 +0800
Tim Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED
Hi
I must be stupid or something, but I can't for the life
of me work out a simple way of determining if a variable contains
a string or array, in a PythonScript in Zope.
I can't import type and or use type() function.
isinstance doesn't work because I can't give a type as the second arg.
I
as the method. Also I always thought it terribly inelegant.
Should have looked in the source ;-)
Thanks again
T
On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 04:10, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Tim Hoffman wrote:
Hi
I must be stupid or something, but I can't for the life
of me work out a simple way of determining
://collector.zope.org/Zope/465
It appears that the more recent versions of xmlrpclib.py have resolved
this problem, so could we maybe look at getting the current stable
release of xmlrpclib.py in to Zope 2.6 ?
Regards
Tim Hoffman
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On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 15:14, Toby Dickenson wrote:
On Friday 31 May 2002 4:44 am, Tim Hoffman wrote:
But whilst you might think acquisition looks like inheritance it isn't
Please don't confuse the two, they really are different, and until
you think about them differently, I
Hi
On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 16:10, Steve Alexander wrote:
Tim Hoffman wrote:
However the most problems I have had, are with poorly thought out or
poorly documented object hierarchies,
You mean class hierarchies.
Oops, yep, that's what I meant,
so that it is not obvious or clear
But whilst you might think acquisition looks like inheritance it isn't
Please don't confuse the two, they really are different, and until
you think about them differently, I believe you won't necessarily
grasp the significance of acquisition, or use it properly.
Any
Hi
Just my 2c worth, but I would like to defend order of execution of
ZPT. What it does mean for me is I can guaruntee zpt commands will
always be processed in a known order irrespective of where you
put them in a tag, this I like ;-)
What I do miss is else clause but I think it would be
The big problem with the whole 'else' issue as I see
it, is that non coders, using dreamweaver etc.. would no doubt end
up with both bit's of html in their template.
T
On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 11:39, Marc Lindahl wrote:
Yecch!
Why not:
if ...
True stuff
/if
else
False stuff
/else
If
at 09:07:26AM +0800, Tim Hoffman wrote:
Hi
Just my 2c worth, but I would like to defend order of execution of
ZPT. What it does mean for me is I can guaruntee zpt commands will
always be processed in a known order irrespective of where you
put them in a tag, this I like ;-)
Would
and differences between C Python and Jython. We've made quite a
bit
of progress in both of those areas, but there's still more to be done
before
Zope will fire up and answer a request.
Kevin
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done it?
Tim
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Tim Hoffman writes:
In some of the overview documents discussing ZEO, there is reference
to a ZEO client potentially mounted a ZSS in read only mode. (I want
to have some ZEO's in read/write as well)
When you start Zope with the -R option (I think, look at
z2
this I
have any idea how I might go about doing such a thing.
I ideally I would like to control what clients can connect
and whether read only or read/wright by IP and/or some token
RGds
Tim
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