Re: [z3-five] Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-07 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:42:34 +0100, whit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to echo Martijn, I've learned much more about zope3 thumbing through the z3 bundled with Zope 2 than I have looking at actual zope3 source, because I don't have a job that pays me to do pure zope3. I

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: we don't really want to ship all of zope.app with Zope 2. zope.app is supposed to be the Zope 3 application server. It shouldn't be included in Zope 2, especially since it requires twisted and such. I'm worried about this approach, as it stops the Five project

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi everybody, Just to sketch out my general points to be clear: * I'm fine with a Zope 3 project that moves things from zope.app into zope. * I'm also fine with Zope 2 usage guiding which things should be moved first. * I'm not fine with a Zope 2 shipping with only parts of the

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-06 Thread Brian Sutherland
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 12:12:05AM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Brian Sutherland wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 11:18:46PM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Brian Sutherland wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 05:29:41PM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: I would like to

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-06 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: we don't really want to ship all of zope.app with Zope 2. zope.app is supposed to be the Zope 3 application server. It shouldn't be included in Zope 2, especially since it requires twisted and such. I'm worried about this approach, as

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: we don't really want to ship all of zope.app with Zope 2. zope.app is supposed to be the Zope 3 application server. It shouldn't be included in Zope 2, especially since it requires twisted and such.

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-06 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: That's why I want to make sure that we include as much of zope.app in Zope 2. But I'm just one man so I tried to focus on current usage. I'm sure we all want to use as much as possible from Zope 3 in our Zope 2 projects in the future, but we have to draw the line for

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-06 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Brian Sutherland wrote: Ok, I make some tests without importing any of those dependencies, the issues I have found thus far: * missing factory directive Recent Five releases should have it. It's deprecated now, though. * missing class directive It's in the recent bugfix releases.

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2006-4-6 11:51 +0200: ... I'd therefore recommend an approach that includes as much of zope.app into Zope 2 as is possible, while leaving out the obvious bits that shouldn't be there, like Twisted. To the contrary, I am interested to get a Zope 2 as small as possible.

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-06 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:42:34 +0100, whit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to echo Martijn, I've learned much more about zope3 thumbing through the z3 bundled with Zope 2 than I have looking at actual zope3 source, because I don't have a job that pays me to do pure zope3. I would argue sending the

[Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-05 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Hi there, we don't really want to ship all of zope.app with Zope 2. zope.app is supposed to be the Zope 3 application server. It shouldn't be included in Zope 2, especially since it requires twisted and such. We're therefore moving everything that isn't part of the core Zope 3 application server

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 4/5/06, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know what other zope.app packages your 3rd party software is using. Well, CMFonFive uses zope.app.publisher.browser, because that's where the menus hang. CPS uses zope.app.container for the container events and the

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-05 Thread Martin Aspeli
Lennart Regebro-2 wrote: Well, CMFonFive uses zope.app.publisher.browser, because that's where the menus hang. We would like to start using browser menus in Plone CPS uses zope.app.container for the container events and the IAdding interface all over the place. We may want to

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-05 Thread Bernd Dorn
On 05.04.2006, at 17:29, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: implementing this proposal on the jim-adapter branch of Zope 3. I would like to know what other zope.app packages your 3rd party software is using. If thereare any other used than the ones mentioned in the proposal, we'll have to

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-05 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 05:29:41PM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: I would like to know what other zope.app packages your 3rd party software is using. If thereare any other used than the ones mentioned in the proposal, we'll have to move them out of zope.app. I'd like to ask for your

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-05 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Bernd Dorn wrote: i use zope.app.cachedescriptors in zope2 for various projects You probably mean zope.cachedescriptors. That isn't part of zope.app and therefore no problem in the zope.app vs. Zope 2 issue. Philipp ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 4/5/06, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CPSMailAccess uses zope.app.cache, zope.app.dublincore, zope.app.copypastemove, and of course zope.app.mail. (And also zope.app.pagetemplate and zope.app.publisher.browser.BrowserView but I suspect those are special hacks or something, that

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-05 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 4/5/06, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know what other zope.app packages your 3rd party software is using. Well, CMFonFive uses zope.app.publisher.browser, because that's where the menus hang. Menu support will be moved to

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-05 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Brian Sutherland wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 05:29:41PM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: I would like to know what other zope.app packages your 3rd party software is using. Er, FiveSQLOS is using quite a lot actually:

Re: [Zope-dev] What from zope.app are you using

2006-04-05 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Brian Sutherland wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 11:18:46PM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Brian Sutherland wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 05:29:41PM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: I would like to know what other zope.app packages your 3rd party software is using. Er,