Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-08 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Faassen wrote: > Chris Withers wrote: >> Gary Poster wrote: >>> Within the constraints above, then, in line with your original proposal, >>> I think we'd be fine with "Zope Framework," and "Zope 2." We certainly >>> don't need Zope-3-the-tarball, if that's what you meant. >> Zope Frame

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-08 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris Withers wrote: > Gary Poster wrote: >> Within the constraints above, then, in line with your original proposal, >> I think we'd be fine with "Zope Framework," and "Zope 2." We certainly >> don't need Zope-3-the-tarball, if that's what you meant. > > Zope Framework (and maybe even ZF4) see

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-05 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tres Seaver wrote: > Lennart Regebro wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 08:32, Dieter Maurer wrote: >>> Because members put there content (product implementations) still usable? >> Absolutely right. In the long run that should probably be moved over >>

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 17:23, Tres Seaver wrote: > PyPI won't work for non-eggified products. Right, so they need to be eggified then, which is a Good Thing. :) I'm not saying they should be moved *now*. Just in the long run. If the product is still maintained and cared about, eggifying it and mo

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-05 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 08:32, Dieter Maurer wrote: >> Because members put there content (product implementations) still usable? > > Absolutely right. In the long run that should probably be moved over > to PyPI though. PyPI

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 08:32, Dieter Maurer wrote: > Because members put there content (product implementations) still usable? Absolutely right. In the long run that should probably be moved over to PyPI though. -- Lennart Regebro: Pythonista, Barista, Notsotrista. http://regebro.wordpress.com/

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-05 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dieter Maurer wrote: > Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 21:29 +0100: >> Andreas Jung wrote: >>> Andrew & others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is >>> consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some >>> missio

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 21:29 +0100: >Andreas Jung wrote: >> Andrew & others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is >> consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some >> mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current >> zope.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-03 Thread Chris Withers
Gary Poster wrote: > > Within the constraints above, then, in line with your original proposal, > I think we'd be fine with "Zope Framework," and "Zope 2." We certainly > don't need Zope-3-the-tarball, if that's what you meant. Zope Framework (and maybe even ZF4) seems to have general agreemen

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:52 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >> We might discuss this unhurriedly. To sleep and being in vacation mood >> in order to discuss this now :-) At least the term 'classic' is a NO-GO >> for me. > > Why? Would you pref

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: > We might discuss this unhurriedly. To sleep and being in vacation mood > in order to discuss this now :-) At least the term 'classic' is a NO-GO > for me. Why? Would you prefer 'a' or maybe 'old'? ;-) >>> microsite or somewhere else. The point is that the release should >>>

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:45 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >>> I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective >>> parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... >> >> *shrug* I don't care if those releases on the new zo

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: >> I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective >> parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... > > *shrug* I don't care if those releases on the new zope2.zope.org Please not zope2.zope.org, the insane version naming has *got* to stop... > microsi

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:37 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >> >> Because we can't break existing download URL - neither to old Zope >> releases > > I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective > parts of classic.zope.o

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: > > Because we can't break existing download URL - neither to old Zope > releases I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... > nor to old product releases. I wonder how many of these are actually s

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:29 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >> Andrew & others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is >> consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some >> mission statement and then links

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: > Andrew & others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is > consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some > mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current > zope.org site should be moved to old.zope.org (it must

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:17 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: > I'd *really* like to see the majority of the current www.zope.org simply > eradicated from existence. It's out of date and a source of nothing but > confusion. > Andrew & others have been working on t

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: > We and canonical use the Zope Framework. We don't use an > application. Zope (aka Zope 2) is an extensible application. We (ZC > and Canonical and others) assemble components from the Zope Framework > to build our own applications. Hmm, maybe I got this wrong, but Gary

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > Jim Fulton wrote: >>> What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on >>> extensively. >>> >>> - Zope A 4.0 >>> >>> What was to be Zope 2.12 >>> >>> - Zope B 4.0 >>> >>> Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: >> What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on extensively. >> >> - Zope A 4.0 >> >> What was to be Zope 2.12 >> >> - Zope B 4.0 >> >> Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff was to >> be. (Need to keep the Canonical and ZC guys happy afterall

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > Remember this: > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm > > Well, that lead to this: > > http://www.parrot.org/ > > One of the reasons I got suckered into replying was that I thought > this > might be the result of some stuff a few of

[Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Remember this: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm Well, that lead to this: http://www.parrot.org/ One of the reasons I got suckered into replying was that I thought this might be the result of some stuff a few of us had talked about at the Zope BOF at PyCon. I actually think hav