Re: Zope + Ape + Subversion (was: RE: [Zope-dev] Using a truely revis ion based storage for Zope ?)

2004-04-15 Thread Shane Hathaway
On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Kapil Thangavelu wrote: > although i wonder if there is some hand waving in progress here that i > can't see. i guess my semantic notion of versions has been that of long > lived transactions, and is there a better means of thinking of them? how > do they play across with mult

RE: Zope + Ape + Subversion (was: RE: [Zope-dev] Using a truely r evis ion based storage for Zope ?)

2004-04-15 Thread Shane Hathaway
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What happens is you write a new serializer, notably write a custom > serializer for an object type you've already been using for a while, using > the "default" one ? (Presumably because you WANT to be able to access the > contents from other tools) >

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 15 April 2004 13:22, Martijn Faassen wrote: Note that for checking dependencies in Python code I still think this tool could be improved by using technology from importchecker.py http://cvs.zope.org/Zope3/utilities/importchecker.py which can use Python's compile

[Zope3-dev], [Zope-dev] Import checking code

2004-04-15 Thread Fred Drake
On Thursday 15 April 2004 13:22, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Note that for checking dependencies in Python code I still think this > tool could be improved by using technology from importchecker.py ... > which can use Python's compiler module to lift all imports from source > code, which I think i

Re: [Zope3-dev], [Zope-dev] More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Fred Drake
On Thursday 15 April 2004 10:23 am, Jim Fulton wrote: > (BTW, I think it was a mistake to have top-level persistent and > transaction packages. I think that will eventually come back to haunt us.) I won't disagree with this. ;-( > The only way to avoid collissions is to pick stupid names (zth

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 15 April 2004 13:22, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Note that for checking dependencies in Python code I still think this > tool could be improved by using technology from importchecker.py > > http://cvs.zope.org/Zope3/utilities/importchecker.py > > which can use Python's compiler module to l

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 15 April 2004 11:39, Casey Duncan wrote: Additionally (and Jim and I have discussed this amongst ourselves) I feel strongly that the dependancies should be enforced by tests. That is, if you introduce and errant dependancy (by adding an import to a new package no

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 15 April 2004 11:39, Casey Duncan wrote: > Additionally (and Jim and I have discussed this amongst ourselves) I > feel strongly that the dependancies should be enforced by tests. That > is, if you introduce and errant dependancy (by adding an import to a new > package not in the stdlib

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 11:39, Casey Duncan wrote: > Additionally (and Jim and I have discussed this amongst ourselves) I > feel strongly that the dependancies should be enforced by tests. Good point. > The dependancy tests might need to be separate from unittests because > they would probably re

[Zope-dev] ZPT in Zope Products

2004-04-15 Thread Clemens Robbenhaar
Hi Wyatt, > from Products.PageTemplates.PageTemplateFile import PageTemplateFile > > def manage_addMyContainerForm(self, REQUEST): > pt = None > if self.meta_type in ['ContainerType1', 'ContainerType2']: > pt = PageTemplateFile('zpt/addMyContainerForm', globals()) >

RE: [Zope-dev] ZPT in Zope Products

2004-04-15 Thread Wyatt Anderson
This does not work either. With this I get the following traceback: Traceback (innermost last): Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 100, in publish Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 40, in call_object Module Products.MyContainer.MyContainer, line 17,

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 10:23, Jim Fulton wrote: > Each separately distributed package will have a DEPENDENCIES.cfg that is > created by hand and that *constrains* dependencies on other packages. It > makes explicit the intended dependencies. Dependencies not listed here > are bugs. Adding depenenc

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Jim Fulton
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 09:25, Jim Fulton wrote: From the zope package README.txt: "Zope Project Packages The zope package is a pure namespace package holding packages developed as part of the Zope 3 project. Generally, the immediate subpackages of the zope package sho

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Jim Fulton
Lennart Regebro wrote: From: "Sidnei da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Move component-architecture packages out of 'zope' into 'ca', and then we don't have the 'zope' vs 'Zope' issue anymore. 'ca' feels weird. Canada? caca? I don't like it. 'z' is better then. Of course that means that suddenly

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 09:25, Jim Fulton wrote: > From the zope package README.txt: > >"Zope Project Packages > >The zope package is a pure namespace package holding packages developed as >part of the Zope 3 project. > >Generally, the immediate subpackages of the zope package sh

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Lennart Regebro
From: "Sidnei da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > - Move component-architecture packages out of 'zope' into 'ca', and >then we don't have the 'zope' vs 'Zope' issue anymore. 'ca' feels weird. Canada? caca? I don't like it. 'z' is better then. Of course that means that suddenly the component archi

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Jim Fulton
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 08:59:44AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | >So, what about this: | > | >zope.component | >zope.interfaces (?) | >zope.configuration | >zope.testing | >zope.schema (soon-to-be-dead?) | > | >- All move to 'ca.*' | | Most of this has nothing to do with the co

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 08:59:44AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | >So, what about this: | > | >zope.component | >zope.interfaces (?) | >zope.configuration | >zope.testing | >zope.schema (soon-to-be-dead?) | > | >- All move to 'ca.*' | | Most of this has nothing to do with the component architecture. |

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Jim Fulton
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 11:46:27AM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: | >- The packages in "z" can be used for more than just Zope | | +2 So, here's an idea: - Move component-architecture packages out of 'zope' into 'ca', and then we don't have the 'zope' vs 'Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 11:46:27AM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: | >- The packages in "z" can be used for more than just Zope | | +2 So, here's an idea: - Move component-architecture packages out of 'zope' into 'ca', and then we don't have the 'zope' vs 'Zope' issue anymore. I've

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope and zope

2004-04-15 Thread Stefan H. Holek
+0, not a problem. -1 for renaming 'Zope'. I endorse the 'src/zope' idea. Stefan On Mittwoch, Apr 14, 2004, at 15:00 Europe/Vienna, Jim Fulton wrote: Perhaps we can get more input on whether there's a problem. A response with a positive sign (e.g. +1, +0, +2, ...) indicates agreement that this

[Zope-dev] Re: More arguments for "z" (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jim, let's make this telegraph style :) OK, here's another. What about renaming the Zope 3 zope package to "z". +1 - It fits with the expansion of "Zope": "Z Object Publishing Environment". - It's short :) - *At this time* (but after the move to svn), it's not too hard to make a change lik