[Zope-dev] possible split of zope.app.generations to zope.generations

2009-04-09 Thread Lacko Roman
Hi, Now when zope refactoring is in progress, would it be possible to refactor zope.app.generations package so there would be for example package zope.generations that would depend only on ZODB3 package ? I'm using zope.app.generations to upgrade the DB schema in my web project, and in future

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Aspeli wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: To stir things up: I would like to suggest renumbering the next Zope 2 release to Zope 4. That reflects the large refactoring that is being done to clean up the codebase and fully eggify Zope. There are enough changes to warrant a

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Shane Hathaway wrote: discussion type=bikeshed Tres Seaver wrote: WRT the Framework name: framework is a misleading name for the collection of packages salvaged from the new Coke effort: it is actually a *bunch* of frameworks, in the classic software engineering sense,

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Martin Aspeli
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Shane Hathaway wrote: discussion type=bikeshed Tres Seaver wrote: WRT the Framework name: framework is a misleading name for the collection of packages salvaged from the new Coke effort: it is actually a *bunch* of frameworks, in the classic software

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Martin Aspeli
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Martin Aspeli wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: To stir things up: I would like to suggest renumbering the next Zope 2 release to Zope 4. That reflects the large refactoring that is being done to clean up the codebase and fully eggify Zope. There are enough

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Lacko Roman
When i speak about zope with my friends or tell about zope to my boss i allways use Zope Framework name. Zope Framework was from beginning the natural name for zope3 for me. When i thing about Zope3, i think about Zope Framework When i thing about Zope2, i think about Zope2 Just my 0.02 cents

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Lennart Regebro
Zope Toolkit is a good name. But so is Zope Framework. And honestly, it's more a framework than a toolkit. A toolkit is a collection of reasonably independent tools. OK, so Zope Framework is actually loads of frameworks, one for components, one for security one for web forms, and this and that.

[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 7 OK, 1 Failed

2009-04-09 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Wed Apr 8 12:00:00 2009 UTC to Thu Apr 9 12:00:00 2009 UTC. There were 8 messages: 8 from Zope Tests. Test failures - Subject: FAILED (errors=1) : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.6.1 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Wed Apr 8 21:02:08

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone vs. Zope2 was: Re: naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Tres Seaver wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: So it's highly likely that Zope 2.12 is the last release of Zope2 that Plone is going to use. Maybe a Zope 2.13 once Python 2.7 is released might be of interest to Plone. But otherwise I don't see any reason for a new Zope

[Zope-dev] running all Zope 2 tests on trunk?

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Withers
Hey All, Is this buildout sufficient to run all the Zope 2 tests on trunk: [buildout] parts = test extends = http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/Zope/tags/2.12.0a1/versions-zope2.cfg develop = Zope # Zope is a checkout of: # svn+ssh://chr...@svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/trunk [test] recipe =

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone vs. Zope2 was: Re: naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hanno Schlichting wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: This is only mildly confusing. It can also only get better with time, as Plone seems to continue away from Zope 2 and onto the framework,

[Zope-dev] several zope.* libs within gae (was ZCML implementations: where should they go)

2009-04-09 Thread Tobias Rodäbel
Hi, Shane Hathaway wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: I'ld rather not see a whole slew of extra packagse appear. I also wonder how the extra number of packages and increasing size of sys.path influence performance and restrictions on environments like GAE. For

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone vs. Zope2 was: Re: naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lennart Regebro wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 05:34, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: The current line of thinking for Plone is about this: Plone 4 will still run on Zope2. Plone 5 will run on Python 3.x and not

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Aspeli wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: To stir things up: I would like to suggest renumbering the next Zope 2 release

Re: [Zope-dev] several zope.* libs within gae (was ZCML implementations: where should they go)

2009-04-09 Thread Tim Hoffman
Hi Just on the zope in gae. I have been hacking away at getting a core of zope running under gae. (one example is http://baon.appspot.com/ which was a port of an old portal_toolkit/cmf 1.0 site I used as an excercise) I am currently using the following packages app (completely gutted)

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone vs. Zope2 was: Re: naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: Plone could run on something like the Zope Framework without running on Zope 2. That would be feasible, except that a ton of Plone's features depend on Zope2-specific machinery.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 7 OK, 1 Failed

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Zope Tests Summarizer wrote: Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Wed Apr 8 12:00:00 2009 UTC to Thu Apr 9 12:00:00 2009 UTC. There were 8 messages: 8 from Zope Tests. Test failures - Subject: FAILED (errors=1)

Re: [Zope-dev] possible split of zope.app.generations to zope.generations

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lacko Roman wrote: Now when zope refactoring is in progress, would it be possible to refactor zope.app.generations package so there would be for example package zope.generations that would depend only on ZODB3 package ? +1. I'm using

Re: [Zope-dev] several zope.* libs within gae (was ZCML implementations: where should they go)

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tobias Rodäbel wrote: Hi, Shane Hathaway wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: I'ld rather not see a whole slew of extra packagse appear. I also wonder how the extra number of packages and increasing size of

[Zope-dev] z3c.form and KGS 3.4 - can't build 1.9.x branch

2009-04-09 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi, I just tried to check out the new 1.9.x branch of z3c.form (thanks Stephan!), but it won't build with Python 2.4 (I need this to work with Plone, so 2.4 is a must): $ ./bin/buildout Develop: '/users/optilude/Development/Plone/Code/Products/z3c.form/.' Unused options for buildout:

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 7 OK, 1 Failed

2009-04-09 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Tres Seaver wrote: I don't know how the 'alltests' script is being built, or I would have run the tests myself and found the failure. You run bin/buildout -c alltests.cfg and then bin/alltests Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form and KGS 3.4 - can't build 1.9.x branch

2009-04-09 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 09 April 2009, Martin Aspeli wrote: Clearly, I'm getting too new a version of RestrictedPython, but this is running against the 3.4 KGS, so I don't see how that could really happen. This is not a problem. Ignore those errors as they happen in the Python 2.6 support code.Everything

[Zope-dev] Why doesn't this buildout run the zdaemon tests?

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Withers
Hi All, Apologies for the current test failure on trunk, why doesn't the following testrunner run the zdaemon tests? [buildout] parts = test extends = http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/Zope/tags/2.12.0a1/versions-zope2.cfg versions = versions develop = Zope zdaemon [versions] setuptools = 0.6c9

Re: [Zope-dev] zdaemon is alpha?

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: If not, I'll change it on trunk... Please just remove that trove classifier. Done. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

Re: [Zope-dev] Why doesn't this buildout run the zdaemon tests?

2009-04-09 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Chris Withers wrote: Apologies for the current test failure on trunk, why doesn't the following testrunner run the zdaemon tests? The testrunner recipe only puts the things in its own eggs section onto the test path, so you need to do: [test] recipe = zc.recipe.testrunner eggs = Zope2

Re: [Zope-dev] Why doesn't this buildout run the zdaemon tests?

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: Hi All, Apologies for the current test failure on trunk, why doesn't the following testrunner run the zdaemon tests? [buildout] parts = test extends =

Re: [Zope-dev] Why doesn't this buildout run the zdaemon tests?

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Withers
Hanno Schlichting wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Apologies for the current test failure on trunk, why doesn't the following testrunner run the zdaemon tests? The testrunner recipe only puts the things in its own eggs section onto the test path, Ah, I only just got that :-) Okay, so 'eggs'

Re: [Zope-dev] Why doesn't this buildout run the zdaemon tests?

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Withers
Tres Seaver wrote: $ bin/buildout -c alltests.cfg $ bin/alltests Any reason alltests.cfg isn't in the root buildout.cfg? (not that I'm using the root buildout.cfg either...) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Joy, another naming discussion. Oh well, I started it. :) Zope Toolkit is better name than Zope Framework. I'm fine with renaming Zope Framework to Zope Toolkit if: * someone goes and changes the name in: * the Zope Framework sphinx documentation in SVN * renames the SVN directory

Re: [Zope-dev] several zope.* libs within gae (was ZCML implementations: where should they go)

2009-04-09 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey there, Tim Hoffman wrote: [snip] One question before I go. I had to replace about 90% of zope.security (well get rid of it) what would be the best way of specifying a replacement for a core package like zope.security rather than just replacing it. If I wanted to share this work it

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Shane Hathaway
Martijn Faassen wrote: If nobody volunteers to do this (feel free to organize more volunteers), we'll stick with Zope Framework. Let me know if you're going to do this and when you're done. FWIW, I think this particular pile of libraries is in fact best described by the name framework,

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Rossi
I can't believe no one's suggested Zope Mega, yet. Chris On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.comwrote: Hey, Joy, another naming discussion. Oh well, I started it. :) Zope Toolkit is better name than Zope Framework. I'm fine with renaming Zope Framework to

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 23:07, Chris Rossi ch...@archimedeanco.com wrote: I can't believe no one's suggested Zope Mega, yet. It sounds stupid. The Zope Ultra Component Framework Toolkit, though, THAT's a name with panache! -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Chris McDonough
On 4/9/09 4:25 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey, Joy, another naming discussion. Oh well, I started it. :) Zope Toolkit is better name than Zope Framework. I'm fine with renaming Zope Framework to Zope Toolkit if: * someone goes and changes the name in: * the Zope Framework sphinx