[ZWeb] www.zope.org down?

2009-04-03 Thread Chris Withers
Hey All,

Is it supposed to be down?

Chris

PS: I'm not longer subscribed to zope-web, please CC me in a replies...

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Re: [ZWeb] weird cache behaviour?

2008-07-21 Thread Chris Withers

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:


It is still weird and it will probably remain that way. The caching tier 
is independent and not under our control.


How long is it going to be before we can move zope.org to some kind of 
sane hosting environment?


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Re: AW: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope] Zope lists in google

2008-02-11 Thread Chris Withers

Josef Meile wrote:
Somebody didn't like the bots to roam the archives? 
I have a feeling someone didn't want bots spanking some web-subversion 
front end that's running, but the end result is that we loose all Zope 
code and mailing list archives from Google :-(

Yes, that's really sad. I really don't like gmane searching function :-(
and google is my friend ;-)


Indeed. Jens was chasing this up with the powers that be, I wonder if 
he's had any feedback?


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Re: AW: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope] Zope lists in google

2008-02-11 Thread Chris Withers

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:


Since it was the weekend and no one at ZC can be expected to sit around 
just waiting for someone from the ZWeb list to complain it took a few 
days. The robots.txt file is now empty.


Yay, good stuff :-)

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Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope] Zope lists in google

2008-02-08 Thread Chris Withers

Sascha Welter wrote:
I can't think that mail.zope.org has anything to do with a ZODB or is 
configured from zope.org


(Removed the cross posting, dunno what this has to do with zope@)


Because the person originally asking the question posted there...
(I'm now CC'ing him in directly...)


http://mail.zope.org/robots.txt has:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /

Somebody didn't like the bots to roam the archives? 


I have a feeling someone didn't want bots spanking some web-subversion 
front end that's running, but the end result is that we loose all Zope 
code and mailing list archives from Google :-(



I think Chris wanted
to see the undo history to find out who made that change.


Indeed, yes, brain fart, shouldn't have been looking on www.zope.org...

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[ZWeb] Re: [Zope] Zope lists in google

2008-02-07 Thread Chris Withers

Josef Meile wrote:

Today I noticed that google doesn't find anything when giving
site:mail.zope.org anymore. It worked before :-(


Yeah, I noticed this too. It's a real shame.

I wonder who did that and why?
(file objects have no history tab and the database has been packed to 
the point where there's no Undo data)


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Re: [ZWeb] wiki.zope.org is still unreachable

2007-05-10 Thread Chris Withers

Andrew Sawyers wrote:

The last word I got was last night, there was a power supply failure at
Amaze's data center.  I would presume this would be a power supply failure
in the server which hosts these sites.  No further word.  I personally don't
have contact with Amaze, not any idea how to contact them.


Well, I'll make the offer again, I have a server in a rackspace 
datacenter in the states that is currently doing nothing but backup mx. 
It has 1TB month bandwidth, scsi raided disks and is monitored 24/7/365.


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Re: [ZWeb] wiki.zope.org MX record request

2006-12-20 Thread Chris Withers

Simon Michael wrote:
Could I have the wiki.zope.org MX record pointed to mail.joyful.com ? 
This will allow me to email things to the wikis again.


Done.

Lemme know if you have any problems.

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Re: [ZWeb] Fwd: [ZF] foundation site confusion

2006-11-13 Thread Chris Withers

Rob Page wrote:
Chris - did zoneedit get the zopefoundation info?  I don't think it's 
answering.


They did, but zoneedit have this bizarre policy of refusing to serve dns 
until the whois record points at their nameservers.


Worse still, even after the whois records have changed, they'll only 
start serving once you've gone in and editted the zone again.


I think I've done enough to get them to do what they're supposed to, but 
maybe someone who knows how to tickle zoneedit in the right way could 
also take a look?


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Re: [ZWeb] wiki skin

2006-10-30 Thread Chris Withers

Simon Michael wrote:

Chris Withers wrote:
Is it going to move to the great new style that's been used for the 
Zope 3 wiki?


I took some time to get used to the new skin. I like it a lot - great 
work Kevin (and Tom).


Yes indeed :-)

I have been guessing the consensus will be to use the new skin across 
all the wikis, though.


Well, it gets my +...

But I think we definitely need some way to 
differentiate them.
Actually, just a distinctive logo for each of the zope2 and zope3 wikis, and a generic look for the rest, might be the thing. 


I agree with your own answer to your question ;-)

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[ZWeb] zope.org dns

2006-10-13 Thread Chris Withers

Hi All,

Summary of current status on DNS...

I've just updated the zonedit contact details to point to:
http://groups.google.com/group/zopeorg-dns

This is a private, members only group and I've invited all relevant 
people to the group. If I've left anyone out, please let me know. If 
you've got an invite, please join up ;-)


I'm tempted to email this zoneedit username and password to the google 
group so that it's not locked away in several people's mail accounts. 
How do people feel about this?


Am I right in assuming that:

- zope.org whois records are now correct and, nameserver wise, point to:

  Name Server:NS1.ZONEEDIT.COM
  Name Server:NS7.ZONEEDIT.COM

  I'll note that I currently see the old list, but I'm assuming this is
  a propogation issue and I just need to wait?

- zonedit is going to be our only DNS host and all its records are
  currently correct, we're just waiting for them to propogate?

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Re: [ZWeb] Apache config for lists.zope.org/mail.zope.org fubar?

2006-10-13 Thread Chris Withers

yep :-)

Chris

Lennart Regebro wrote:
Does this have anything with the sudden onsplurt of spam via Zope 
mailing lists?

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Re: [ZWeb] Apache config for lists.zope.org/mail.zope.org fubar?

2006-10-13 Thread Chris Withers

Lennart Regebro wrote:

On 10/13/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

yep :-)


Extra annoyiong since I have been trying to unsubscribe from the
zope-list for a week. And failing. I don't have time to read that list
just now...


procmail's great, works for me on michael milne ;-)

(and I believe several others have used the same trick on me in the 
past... *wry grinz*)


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Re: [ZWeb] statistical nonsense

2006-10-13 Thread Chris Withers

Justizin wrote:

I hope you all curl up and die.  I'm going to use TurboGears, since
apparently noone in the Zope community will fucking talk to me
anymore.


I'm sure you will be sorely missed ;-)

Seriously, you seemed like a well meaning, fairly clued up, if slightly 
arrogant guy when you offered to help, but these tirades of abuse are 
making you look like a clown - and I should know; Google can testify to 
several of my own clownish tirades...


Justin, good luck with TurboGears, I hope none too many of your 
customers stumble across your postings here...


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Re: [ZWeb] statistical nonsense

2006-10-13 Thread Chris Withers

Justizin wrote:

Heck, at my age, I could just go join a fucking band instead of
spending most of my time volunteering to work with open-source
software on behalf of non-profit foundations.


http://www.bash.org/?14207

;-)

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Re: [ZWeb] zope.org dns

2006-10-13 Thread Chris Withers

Jim Fulton wrote:

Chris Withers wrote:
...
I'm tempted to email this zoneedit username and password to the google 
group so that it's not locked away in several people's mail accounts. 
How do people feel about this?


It makes me feel uncomfortable. :)


No worries, that's fine, I think enough people have the zoneedit details 
to be safe.


If you'd like them too, just lemme know and I'll forward 'em on...

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[ZWeb] [Fwd: [Zope] http://svn.zope.org and http://cvs.zope.org]

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

Looks like DNS is still fubar'ed here in europe...

I get the same experience as this user...

C:\nslookup svn.zope.org

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:svn.zope.org
Address:  63.240.213.171

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Hello,

does anyone know what has happen to the web views of the Zope CVS and
SVN? Both bring a 301 and redirect to www.zope.org.

Regards,
- bringi





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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

Justizin wrote:
I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone. 


Why? zope.org has happily lived off two nameservers for years and years...

All of a sudden, we need to have more backups, the upshot of which has 
been people in europe getting served bad dns from ns.qutang.net :-(


What's wrong with just having ns1.zoneedit.com and ns7.zoneedit.com 
(could we also use ns(2-6).zoneedit.com?) and be done with it?


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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
It makes sense to have name servers in different physical locations and 
on different networks in case one provider runs into trouble. The point 
of contention is the number of slaves.


Right, which brings me back to my other point: why, when 2 server have 
been fine for about a decade, do we need to change now?


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[ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

There still appear to be some outstanding dns issues...

Chris

Wichert Akkerman wrote:

Is something happening with svn.zope.org? I haven't been able to use
anonymous or authorized svn for two days.

Wichert.



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[ZWeb] *poke*

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

is this list alive?

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Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: [ZWeb] http://namespaces.zope.org/zope )

2006-09-27 Thread Chris Withers

Andrew Sawyers wrote:
You didn't cc tres 


Yeah, I know, but since Jens shouted at me shortly afterwards, I didn't 
think I'd rectify the situation ;-)


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Re: [ZWeb] http://namespaces.zope.org/zope

2006-09-27 Thread Chris Withers

Justizin wrote:

Perhaps I am making a wild and sweeping assumption here, but I think
that Chris is talking about the DNS servers which are controlled by
software the team I worked on at Rackspace was responsible for, and
look like ns.rackspace.com. ;)


Yep, so you're responsible for that crappy ui?
Dotster's wins for ease of use so far...


So, I'm actually curious if they have implemented a feature which was
not high priority when I worked there, and that is the ability to
configure their nameservers as slaves.  


Don't think so, it's just that I can host dns there for stuff that 
isn't hosted on their servers.


I'd hope their nameservers are also pretty robust?


Tom - do you know if Rackspace's nameservers are capable of serving up
a slave copy of a zone which is managed at ZoneEdit.com? 


When I wrote that email, I was actually proposing hosting the masters 
there. I don't mind being DNS boy for zope.org and I'd hope 
rackspace's nameservers would scale to the challenge...



We'd like to
de-centralize the zope.org zone so that no one individual or
organization such as Zope Corp are responsible for / in control of it.


If I ever did stop doing Zope stuff (hahahaha) then I'd happilly hand 
the records on to someone else.


If I dropped dead (or got taken out by that hitman Jens keeps on 
promising), the DNS could similarly be moved elsewhere...



I presume one of our volunteers is a Rackspace customer, and is thus
offering to host our domain as part of their account.


That'd be me ;-)

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Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers

Jim Fulton wrote:


the machine that goes by many names, including svn.zope.org, 
cvs.zope.org, and mail.zope.org.


I think I'm right in saying that this poor box does have apache on it 
and so might not be such a bad place to stick the foundation stuff if it 
is just flat files?


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Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion

2006-08-29 Thread Chris Withers

Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:

Im trying to avoid things like:

- I dont like that color. (Unless its really nasty this is 100% subjective)
- Fixed width vs. Fluid layouts. (This debate has been around since 
tables. We need to just pick one. For every person that doesnt like the 
space on the side of the page with fixed width there will be another 
person who doesnt like the extra white space at the bottom of every page 
on fluid width layout)

- Anything thats really subjective issue that can be debated ad infinitum.


Well, on this subjective side, it seems that, for a change, a lot of 
people _are_ in agreement ;-)


(it's a shame that you appear to be one of the few who isn't...)


I want to keep momentum on this.


Likewise...

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[ZWeb] zope.org

2006-08-29 Thread Chris Withers

Gaute Amundsen wrote:
Actually, I am starting to think there should be a big notice on the frontpage 
of the http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ section saying:


don't bother with this, just read the source


There's actually some merit to this, anyone mind if I implement?

0.5 wink

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Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion

2006-08-28 Thread Chris Withers

Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:


http://modscape.com/zope

New Foundation page. Try the nav. Only tested on Firefox/Mac so far.


Personally, I hate sites that leave whacking great margins either ide of 
the actual content.


Not sure about the colours or shadows either.

And the left nav doesn't feel like a left nav to me, just seems like 
some entries vanish when you click on other entries :-S


So far, version 3 of design 1 is still my favourite...

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Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion

2006-08-28 Thread Chris Withers

Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:


Here we go again.

Step 1. Propose a project to the Zope community.
Step 2. Plone sucks / Plone is great battle begins, everyone complains 
about what they dont like.

Step 3. No actual work ever gets done.
Step 4. Repeat in 6 months.


Er, Tom, you asked for feedback...

I *like* version 3 of design 1.

I *really* like all the work you've put in to this.

Given a choice between the latest design going in and nothing happening, 
 I'd choose the latest design any day of the week.


Given the choice betwen the latest design and version 3 of design one, 
I'd choose version 3 of design 1.


I'm sorry not all feedback is positive, but if you don't want it, don't 
ask for it...


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[ZWeb] Re: volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig

2006-08-23 Thread Chris Withers

Martijn Faassen wrote:
I propose we use Tom Von Lahndorff's design for the foundation website. 
For the purposes of the foundation site we should strip it down:


+lots

* possibly no drop-down menus at the top. We could simply have links 
there, or possibly a standard left-hand side navigation. This design is 
the top page; we need to see a sub-page design as well.


I like the dropdowns ;-)

I propose letting www.zope.org/foundation point to a Apache directory, 
where we maintain HTML files. We will then generate such HTML files from 
restructured text we maintain in the zope SVN repository, using a simple 
script that drives docutils.


+1

There's one alternative to this approach that will also work on the 
short term: a volunteer that's willing to work with zope.org and 
integrate the layout and text and structure we want into existing 
zope.org infrastructure. If someone volunteers to work on this, I'd be 
happy to do it that way as well. Does anyone volunteer?


-1

comments-from-peanut-gallery-ly yours,

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Re: [ZWeb] volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig

2006-08-23 Thread Chris Withers

Martijn Faassen wrote:


I agree we have less than before, sorry. Then again, before we had two 
foundation websites with diverging information, and now we have one, so 
that's progress. :)


+1

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Re: [ZWeb] asp404 help

2006-07-10 Thread Chris Withers

shahrzad khorrami wrote:

I read almost all the archives about ASP404
but I can't find something useful to me to lead me to my goal *!*


This is the wrong list, you want [EMAIL PROTECTED]


and also there is no perfect article about using IIS as
a web server in plone site


...well, you're making tow mistakes there ;-)


I want to have more than one website based on plone


...then install Apache, it runs happilly on Win32.

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Re: [ZWeb] newbie

2006-06-12 Thread Chris Withers

Hi Chuzo,

Firstly, you really need to join the zope@zope.org list, this list has a 
different purpose ;-)


Chuzo Okuda wrote:

First, I wanted to learn Zope Tutorial, but I do not
understand where I can locate Select type to add...
list in the following steps to follow as I cannot find
where is such list in the html window.


Go to http://localhost:8080/manage

You should see that drop-down in the top-right of the bottom-right frame.

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[ZWeb] Bizarre behaviour with zope.org just now

2006-04-03 Thread Chris Withers

Hi All,

Just been bounced to zope.com from zope.org a few times. philiKON was 
experiencing the same thing...


Any reason why that would happen?

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[ZWeb] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Zope.org redirects to Zope.com

2006-04-03 Thread Chris Withers

Hi Carlos,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm having troubles accessing to zope.org, since it redirects to zope.com. So,
I'm not able to download Zope.


We're aware of the problem and people are looking into it.

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Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-27 Thread Chris Withers

Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:


Its not. Its a lot easier to find answers to my questions though at the 
Apple's support discussion boards, when I have an Apple issue, rather 
than searching Google because I'm searching through very specific 
content, not the web in general and therefore get more accurate results 
and a faster resolution.


Hmmm, well, in the case of Zope, I honestly think you get better results 
if you _do_ use Google because you're not only limiting your search to 
Zope.org, which isn't usually the best source for information...



Why should it be on zope.org?


Um, because it's useful information about Zope, which is sort of what 
Zope.org is about? 


Well, I don't know if that _is_ what zope.org is about anymore. It's 
been so poor for so long that people have found or created other 
resources and those aren't going to go away even if zope.org did 
suddenly become magically better ;-)


The Web Site for the Zope Community (...who are 
currently discussing Zope at various other places on the web). Thanks 
for visiting. :)


Well, point taken, but I really think zope.org should be a gateway to 
those existing resources. If, at a later stage, those resources want to 
migrate back to zope.org, then great, but until then, lets leave them be...


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Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-27 Thread Chris Withers

Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:



 Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just
 replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this 
design?


I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in 
zope.org for *testing* with the current content to Tom - he did not 
comment on that.


Sounds good to me, what do I need to do? I'm happy to edit/create ZPT as 
necessary.


I think Michael already answered this below ;-)

Nevertheless, even if we could use it as suggested, we'd need to make 
some changes (right column should be removed or replaced on 
non-Frontpage pages), styles should be defined along the current 
stylesheet, ...


The tying in with existing styles will likely be the suckiest part. If 
you manage that, I think we all owe you beer! *grinz*


Do you have the access rights you need to create a new zope.org skin?

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Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-25 Thread Chris Withers

Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:


http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html

Added a products page. Linked from the nav.


Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just 
replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this design?


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Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-24 Thread Chris Withers

Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:



On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3.


Really? I thought most people want to push Zope 3. Shouldn't the latest 
release be listed first? I really don't care on way or the other, just 
curious.


Zope 2 is the more stable, tested release. I don't care what people want 
to push, end users should get hinted towards the most stable release ;-)


Yeah, seems like no one likes the idea of message boards. My thinking 
was just that when I search for information I always go to Google before 
I'd ever search Zope.org. 


Why is that a problem?

list threads posted online. It just seems like there's all of this 
valuable chatter that goes on about Zope that never gets to the Zope.org 


Why should it be on zope.org?

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Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-23 Thread Chris Withers

Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:


http://www.modscape.com/zope

03/22/06. Updated the homepage. Added the Zope 3 box. Created a download 
page. Click on Download Zope under Download in the nav.


I don't like the big digits for 2 and 3, makes those images look 
really garish.


On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3.

Like everything else :-)

I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the site 
like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions answered on 
Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice one stop shop for 
questions and answers for those who may not want to subscribe to mailing 
list. It would be nice to have that option.

http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa


No, forums or mailing lists, not both.

Mailing lists are already there, so forums suck ;-)

A decent list of the lists available would rock, as would nice 
searchable archives. However, google and gmane take care of the latter 
requirement, which is hard to implement...


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Re: [ZWeb] Version 3

2006-03-20 Thread Chris Withers

Andrew Sawyers wrote:

Maybe we don't have login on these pages; maybe use a different url for
'managing' the site:  manager.zope.org or something which adds in an
additional skin which includes these macros.  Just an idea.


How would normal users go about submitting news and product releases?

Where would they upload the files?

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Re: [ZWeb] Zope 3 Website

2006-03-09 Thread Chris Withers

Lennart Regebro wrote:

Of course not, you are a total thinker, and not affected positively
about people bragging. But most other people are. It's all about hype.


I'll take that as a compliment ;-)

Do we really want people that are attracted? How are they going to 
benefit our community?


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Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Chris Withers

Tonico Strasser wrote:
IMHO, the most important change for reducing visual design complexity, 
is to get rid of the /Members section, including log in/log out, and the 
whole TTW content management system.


I think it's much easier to add and update content with SVN. (This would 
also effectively eliminate the SPAM problem.)


Although you loose the place that many people use to store their 
products for distribution :-/


Oh well, if this new thing actually works, I guess the trade off is 
worth it...


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