[ZWeb] Re: zope.org - serious caching issues

2007-05-21 Thread David Lawson
I just discussed this with Jim and he concurs that it's a problem within Zope, he gets the same results (old data) tunneling directly to the app servers. I believe he's planning on investigating further, but he's unavailable at the moment. --Dave Systems Administrator Zope Corp. 540-361-17

Re: [ZWeb] Re: zope.org - serious caching issues

2007-05-21 Thread David Lawson
Well, trying to figure out what's changed...that would be the first thing I'd check; just verify that the rules are indeed hitting the requests. How long has this problem been evident? When did the changes take place? I presume awhile ago? Most of the changes would've been some time ago,

Re: [ZWeb] Re: zope.org - serious caching issues

2007-05-21 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 16:42 -0400, David Lawson wrote: > > It has, but mostly only in layout and some streamlining of the > configuration. The basic rules you established are still in place, > since we assumed you had good reasons for them. I haven't been > following this discussion terri

Re: [ZWeb] Re: zope.org - serious caching issues

2007-05-21 Thread David Lawson
It looks to me like the cache tier has been changed; IIRC zope.org was not in the cache tier I setup for Managed Hostingand didn't have (at least) 4 cache servers in it's request flow. Yes. The cache tier has changed significantly, but the basic configuration is still the same.

Re: [ZWeb] Re: zope.org - serious caching issues

2007-05-21 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 10:09 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: > I'm adding zope-web to the CC list. > I wish you hadn't done that yet. If we keep changing things. it will > be hard to figure this out. > > It would be helpful to show the results of, say wget -S, as in: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp$ wget

[ZWeb] Re: zope.org - serious caching issues

2007-05-21 Thread Jim Fulton
I'm adding zope-web to the CC list. On May 20, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Mark W. Alexander wrote: On Saturday 19 May 2007, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Michael, I'm sorry I dropped the ball on this. I said I'd look into it and got distracted. Mark W. Alexander schrieb: On Friday 18 May 2007,

[ZWeb] Re: zope.org

2006-08-30 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris Withers wrote: > Gaute Amundsen wrote: >> Actually, I am starting to think there should be a big notice on the >> frontpage of the http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ section saying: >> >> "don't bother with this, just read the source" > > There's actually some merit to this, anyone mind if I

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-21 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I made an attempt to document the hardware setup. I announced this a long time ago. If you have the right privileges, you can: svn co svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/zope.org/system-documentation/trunk I don't think it's up to date, but it does reflec

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-21 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: I made an attempt to document the hardware setup. I announced this a long time ago. If you have the right privileges, you can: svn co svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/zope.org/system-documentation/trunk I don't think it's up to date, but it does reflect at least a partial rea

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] DownloadofZope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-20 Thread Jim Fulton
Andrew Sawyers wrote: Actually, this is annoying. I increasingly find docs useless for this very reason. I waste my time writing them. People bitch about them not being there or not correct, and they actually never even look. It is documented - and it's documented correctly. I don't know ho

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-20 Thread Jim Fulton
Chris Withers wrote: Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 04:17:02PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | >| >I don't think that's a CMF 'feature', unless the product is using | >| >'contentValues()' which is part of the CMF API. | | BTW, this doesn't mean anything to me. I guess it doesn't.

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-20 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 04:17:02PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | >| >I don't think that's a CMF 'feature', unless the product is using | >| >'contentValues()' which is part of the CMF API. | | BTW, this doesn't mean anything to me. I guess it doesn't. It did to me. I trie

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 04:17:02PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | >| >I don't think that's a CMF 'feature', unless the product is using | >| >'contentValues()' which is part of the CMF API. | | BTW, this doesn't mean anything to me. I guess it doesn't. | >| >I'm sure that's an easy fix. | >| | >| C

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Jim Fulton
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 03:50:32PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | Sidnei da Silva wrote: | >On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 03:25:11PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | >| - The product product has the *insane* policy that if any files aren't | >| published, the entire product is inaccessib

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 03:50:32PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | Sidnei da Silva wrote: | >On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 03:25:11PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | >| - The product product has the *insane* policy that if any files aren't | >| published, the entire product is inaccessible. | >| | >| Does any

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Jim Fulton
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 03:25:11PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | - The product product has the *insane* policy that if any files aren't | published, the entire product is inaccessible. | | Does anyone know how to fix this? Is there a knob for this somewhere in | CMF?

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 03:25:11PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: | - The product product has the *insane* policy that if any files aren't | published, the entire product is inaccessible. | | Does anyone know how to fix this? Is there a knob for this somewhere in | CMF? I don't think that's a CMF

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Downloadof Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Jim Fulton
Andrew Sawyers wrote: Ok guys. I'm willing to eat a little crow on this one. I blame it on being on a lap top on prone to mucho interruptions (excuse mode off). The condition for this was actually more then the response I originally thought. When a unauthorized page is accessed on zope.or

[ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: This would solve which problems? We were in a state in which no one could download 2.8.3 using the widely available URLs. This is something we wrestled with when we made the 3.0 release and I was sick of it. We appear now to have this somewhat under control now. Jim And

[ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Jim Fulton
We think we understand the problem now. It is cache related. We've changed the caching policy so that the pages in question aren't cached. The problem ocurred because: - The product product has the *insane* policy that if any files aren't published, the entire product is inaccessible. Doe

[ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Andreas Jung
This would solve which problems? Andreas --On 19. Oktober 2005 14:04:23 -0400 Jim Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm inclined to make the Zope 2, Zope 3, and possibly the ZODB release areas totally static. This would mean that making a new release would require using the ZMI to create a su

[ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Jim Fulton
I'm inclined to make the Zope 2, Zope 3, and possibly the ZODB release areas totally static. This would mean that making a new release would require using the ZMI to create a subfolder (e.g. for 2.8.3) and editing some number of pages by hand. Any objections? Anybody wanna help? Jim Jim Fulto

[ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Jim Fulton
For now, I've edited the Products page, http://www.zope.org/Products/ to havs static links to the 2.8.3 windows and source releases. I don't know if this is good enough. If it isn't, let me know and I'll try to hack more pages. Sigh. Jim Chris Withers wrote: Is there nothing we can help Andrea

[ZWeb] Re: [Zope.org-internal] Re: [Zopeorg-webmaster] Download of Zope 2.8.3 is not possible

2005-10-19 Thread Jim Fulton
Chris Withers wrote: Is there nothing we can help Andreas to do to purge the caches when he does a release so Michael doesn't have to deal with everyone who gets the "insufficient priveleges" message? I'd be happy to help if there are instructions on how to. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailt