Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On 10/12/06 8:07 PM, "Jens Vagelpohl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - - I went in and made one minor correction to the foundation.zope.org > record > > The data is now clean and consistent and it will just take > propagation time to get that through to all users. When this has > happened we can

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 19:51, Justizin wrote: Justin, I volunteer to take over your DNS stewardship role. Then do something. Improve the situation somehow. You've got all the keys I've got. It already has improved a lot: - - the registrar DNS set

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
On 10/12/06, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Justizin wrote: >> > This assumption really has nothing to do with what happened this week. >> >> I'm not convinced. >> > Then take over, Lennart. I do not care. OK, I've seen this enough. Justin, I volunteer to take over your DNS stewardsh

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Withers
Justizin wrote: > This assumption really has nothing to do with what happened this week. I'm not convinced. Then take over, Lennart. I do not care. OK, I've seen this enough. Justin, I volunteer to take over your DNS stewardship role. I'm also more than happy to do what I can on the Apach

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
On 10/12/06, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 10:05, Lennart Regebro wrote: > But honestly, compare the likelyhood that all three of these would > fail at one time, together with the increasing likelyhood than one > serve

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 13:57, Andrew Sawyers wrote: Can we have only zoneedit as the registered nameservers? 3 out of the 5 listed name servers at the registrar are wrong. We need this fixed ASAP. Just to close this out, Rob has now changed the

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Andrew Sawyers
Can we have only zoneedit as the registered nameservers? 3 out of the 5 listed name servers at the registrar are wrong. We need this fixed ASAP. Andrew ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Andrew Sawyers
FYI, there's a problem with your host Justizin: > server ns1.zoneedit.com Default server: ns1.zoneedit.com Address: 207.234.248.200#53 > cvs.zope.org Server: ns1.zoneedit.com Address:207.234.248.200#53 Name: cvs.zope.org Address: 63.240.213.173 > server ns.qutang.net Default ser

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 10/12/06, Justizin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Servers failing will not cause problems, the only real risk would be tampering. I was unclear, sorry. What I ment to say is that things go wrong. Your statement "this should not cause problems", is equivalent to "servers will not fail" and my po

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 10:05, Lennart Regebro wrote: But honestly, compare the likelyhood that all three of these would fail at one time, together with the increasing likelyhood than one server of them is misconfigured and starts disturbing the usage fo

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
On 10/12/06, Lennart Regebro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/12/06, Justizin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It could cause problems, and that's why we aren't really using eight > servers right now, but it should not cause problems. Servers should not fail. This should not cause problems. But in r

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 10/12/06, Justizin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It could cause problems, and that's why we aren't really using eight servers right now, but it should not cause problems. Servers should not fail. This should not cause problems. But in reality, it will. It is a challenge, also, that our DNS is

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
On 10/12/06, Lennart Regebro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just a couple of notes here. Although zoneedit has been running fine for me for years without a single problem, obviously it would be nice with some backup. Preferably something with another ISP and located on like another continent or some

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
On 10/12/06, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:15, Justizin wrote: > (a) I don't control the actual registrar records > > (b) Yes, these were listed in the zone itself as the NS, but noone > should be doing lookups vi

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Lennart Regebro
Just a couple of notes here. Although zoneedit has been running fine for me for years without a single problem, obviously it would be nice with some backup. Preferably something with another ISP and located on like another continent or something. Two of these backups would be even better. But ho

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:20, Chris Withers wrote: Justizin wrote: I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone. Why? zope.org has happily lived off two nameservers for years and years... All of a sudden, we "need" to have more

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
On 10/12/06, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Justizin wrote: > I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone. Why? zope.org has happily lived off two nameservers for years and years... All of a sudden, we "need" to have more backups, the upshot of which has been people

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
Yanno, people used to pay $75 per half hour for this expertise. .. and I am charging $3,000 for a server move / consolidation in the range of what zope.org wants to see happen in the next few months. Sometimes, even paying clients insist on the wrong approach, or think that I am overcomplicat

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Withers
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: It makes sense to have name servers in different physical locations and on different networks in case one provider runs into trouble. The point of contention is the number of slaves. Right, which brings me back to my other point: why, when 2 server have been fine for abo

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:15, Justizin wrote: (a) I don't control the actual registrar records (b) Yes, these were listed in the zone itself as the NS, but noone should be doing lookups via these servers, because ZoneEdit is not authoritative for the

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Withers
Justizin wrote: I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone. Why? zope.org has happily lived off two nameservers for years and years... All of a sudden, we "need" to have more backups, the upshot of which has been people in europe getting served bad dns from ns.qutang.net :

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
On 10/12/06, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 08:57, Justizin wrote: > Anyway, everything except these hosts need to be removed from the > rotation: > > ns1.zoneedit.com > ns7.zoneedit.com > ns.qutang.net > ns*.zope.c

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 08:57, Justizin wrote: Anyway, everything except these hosts need to be removed from the rotation: ns1.zoneedit.com ns7.zoneedit.com ns.qutang.net ns*.zope.com Then I suggest you do that and end the current confusion in r

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
> On 12 Oct 2006, at 08:03, Justizin wrote: > > This is wrong, most of these slaves never coordinated with me to > > receive a copy of the zone. only ns.qutang.net has a copy. > > And this is my fault because ZoneEdit has these hosts listed as NS records. I've removed them until they grab copi

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
On 10/12/06, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 08:03, Justizin wrote: > This is wrong, most of these slaves never coordinated with me to > receive a copy of the zone. only ns.qutang.net has a copy. > > ns*.zope.com have s

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 08:44, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 12 Oct 2006, at 08:03, Justizin wrote: This is wrong, most of these slaves never coordinated with me to receive a copy of the zone. only ns.qutang.net has a copy. ns*.zope.com have semi-identica

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 08:03, Justizin wrote: This is wrong, most of these slaves never coordinated with me to receive a copy of the zone. only ns.qutang.net has a copy. ns*.zope.com have semi-identical copies, but have not transferred the latest zone

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Justizin
On 10/12/06, Christian Theune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I think DNS is still (or again?) fishy. Currently cvs.zope.org resolves to .171 for me (which should be 173). That's what at least on of the community DNS servers tells me. Other community DNS servers seem not to know anything about z