Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: This is also a technical issue: As long as zc.buildout and setuptools foolishly accept dependency links from an egg, it'll be painful to detect accidental reliance on external repositories. That's a good point. I wouldn't go so far as to say

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-27 Thread Dieter Maurer
Gary Poster wrote at 2007-9-26 15:47 -0400: > ... >So, yes, you are right, I stated an extreme position and I could be >argued away from the edge. But the extremity of my position is a >simple, followable rule that I certainly prefer over the case you >describe. Okay, we disagree. Non work

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: Gary Poster wrote at 2007-9-26 09:39 -0400: ... - Remove the broken files. I'm not sure if this is related, but I noticed yesterday at least of couple of eggs that we are using had been removed, in this case from zope.org. Please, whoever i

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Gary Poster wrote at 2007-9-26 09:39 -0400: > ... >> - Remove the broken files. > >I'm not sure if this is related, but I noticed yesterday at least of >couple of eggs that we are using had been removed, in this case from >zope.org. Please, whoever is doing this, stop. If a release is >brow

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Stephan Richter wrote at 2007-9-26 09:12 -0400: > ... >I totally disagree. If we trust people with repository access, then we have to >trust them with release making. If you subscribe to the egg process, you have >to do frequent releases. Maybe, if you fix dependancies to single versions ;-)

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 09:54:59AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: > Sorry, I decided not to reply and hit the wrong button in my mailer. :) You were just applying "explicit is better than implicit" to email replies. :-) Marius Gedminas -- Just to be extra clear about this: yes, it is morally wrong for

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Fred Drake wrote: On 9/26/07, Gary Poster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I should make our own private copies of the eggs we use, to completely isolate us from these sorts of things, but I have not gotten around to it...nor am I thrilled at the prospect of that overhe

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Fred Drake
On 9/26/07, Gary Poster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I should make our own private copies of the eggs we use, to > completely isolate us from these sorts of things, but I have not > gotten around to it...nor am I thrilled at the prospect of that > overhead. This is also a technical issue: As long

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 09:20, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Stephan Richter wrote: I totally disagree. If we trust people with repository access, then we have to trust them with release making. If you subscribe to the egg process, you have to do frequ

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 09:20, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Stephan Richter wrote: > > I totally disagree. If we trust people with repository access, then we > > have to trust them with release making. If you subscribe to the egg > > process, you have to do frequent releases. > > Why

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
This would be a good issue to bring up on the distutils-sig list. Jim On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:53, Stefan H. Holek wrote: WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems "empty" and paths it deems "too long". Best to avoid. The pr

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
Sorry, I decided not to reply and hit the wrong button in my mailer. :) On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:02, Christian Theune wrote: Hmm. While doing that I also noticed that we were at 3.4.0a

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:02, Christian Theune wrote: Hmm. While doing that I also noticed that we were at 3.4.0a1 yesterday evening. The stable release was made from that without making a maintenance branch and bumping the trunk to

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:53, Stefan H. Holek wrote: > WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems "empty" and paths it   > deems "too long". Best to avoid. The problem is that Roger has installed TAR and GZIP. They are also available in the path. However, for some reason it uses WinZ

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:02, Christian Theune wrote: > Hmm. While doing that I also noticed that we were at 3.4.0a1 yesterday > evening. The stable release was made from that without making a > maintenance branch and bumping the trunk to 3.5. There is conflicting information here. :-) Som

PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 26, 2007, at 4:49 AM, Christian Theune wrote: - Remove the broken files. I'm not sure if this is related, but I noticed yesterday at least of couple of eggs that we are using had been removed, in this case from zope.org. Please, whoever is doing this, stop. If a release is bro

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 09:16 -0400 schrieb Stephan Richter: > On Wednesday 26 September 2007 04:49, Christian Theune wrote: > > The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some > > reason those don't work correctly with the data files. > > > > I can reproduce the problem by

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Stephan Richter wrote: > I totally disagree. If we trust people with repository access, then we have > to > trust them with release making. If you subscribe to the egg process, you have > to do frequent releases. Why would eggs require more frequent releases? Wichert. -- Wichert A

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 04:49, Christian Theune wrote: > The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some > reason those don't work correctly with the data files. > > I can reproduce the problem by creating the packages myself as ZIP files > (doesn't work) and then as tar f

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 04:16, Christian Theune wrote: > The whole list of things that might be relevant here is: > > - zope.securitypolicy > - zope.session, zope.app.session > - zope.app.authentication > - zope.app.i18n > - zope.i18nmessageid > - zope.app.applicationcontrol > - zope.app.app

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Baiju M
Baiju M wrote: Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Stefan H. Holek: WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems "empty" and paths it deems "too long". Best to avoid. Nothing about winzip. The files are in there. I also couldn't find an issue in

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Baiju M
Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Stefan H. Holek: WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems "empty" and paths it deems "too long". Best to avoid. Nothing about winzip. The files are in there. I also couldn't find an issue in the egg info f

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 4:16 AM, Christian Theune wrote: This is IMHO a good example why we shouldn't go for 'everyone can make a release'. I had the same feeling yesterday. I kept silent because the alternative is that only a few -- including me -- make a release. :) This deserves more tho

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Stefan H. Holek: > WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems "empty" and paths it > deems "too long". Best to avoid. Nothing about winzip. The files are in there. I also couldn't find an issue in the egg info files. -- gocept gmbh & co. k

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Stefan H. Holek
WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems "empty" and paths it deems "too long". Best to avoid. Stefan On 26. Sep 2007, at 10:49, Christian Theune wrote: The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. -- It d

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 14:39 +0530 schrieb Baiju M: > We decided not to bump minor release in trunk recently while making > these final release, is it ? I tried looking for that but didn't find that decision, so I thought we're doing maintenance branches. -- gocept gmbh & co. kg - forsters

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Baiju M
Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 08:49 + schrieb Christian Theune: Hey, here is an update. The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. I can reproduce the problem by creating the packages

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 08:49 + schrieb Christian Theune: > Hey, > > here is an update. > > The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some > reason those don't work correctly with the data files. > > I can reproduce the problem by creating the packages myself as ZIP

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Hey, here is an update. The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. I can reproduce the problem by creating the packages myself as ZIP files (doesn't work) and then as tar files (does work). My proposal for what to do