Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

On Nov 29, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Brad Allen wrote: It sounds like a pain, and to be honest, at first it is a bit arduous. Not only does it get faster and become second nature, but chunks of it can be generalized and reused. It really doesn't take that long to get accustomed to it. And once you s

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

On Tuesday 29 November 2005 17:45, Brad Allen wrote: > Another question about ZODB is whether to use it to store page > templates. If I build a lot of ZPT pages and macros and store them > through the ZMI, and then later want to rearrange the folder > structure, I'm guessing it will be a pain to ch

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

On Tuesday 29 November 2005 17:45, Brad Allen wrote: > Here is another question. Suppose I'm working with a team of > developers. Should we each set up our own separate Zope3 instance, > and do SVN checkouts into our own separate, local /lib/python > directories inside the instance? How then would

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

At 1:17 AM -0500 11/30/05, Chris McDonough wrote: While you're developing, it's much easier because the *content* in your ZODB doesn't typically have any value during development. If it does have value during development, you have a development model that's not similar to mine. Well, I gener

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

On Nov 30, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Brad Allen wrote: At 2:44 AM -0700 11/30/05, Duncan McGreggor wrote: Whenever I am told by client that they want me to build an application for them, and they want to be able to add data/content while I do it, I either gently educate them on the proven process t

[Zope3-Users] list archives for zope3-users

I'm looking for a better way to search and read the list archives for this list. Here are the list archives that I know about. Text file archives: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-users Searchable mail archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/zope3-users@zope.org/ Gmane provides a variety of

Re: [Zope3-Users] list archives for zope3-users

On Wednesday 30 November 2005 13:41, Brad Allen wrote: > If anyone else has thoughts on the best way to search the mailing > list archives, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I'd prefer to avoid > asking questions that others have already asked. I use google. :-) Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richte

Re: [Zope3-Users] list archives for zope3-users

On Nov 30, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Brad Allen wrote: If anyone else has thoughts on the best way to search the mailing list archives, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I'd prefer to avoid asking questions that others have already asked. Hey Brad, I feel like we're becoming best friends ;-) I use

Re: [Zope3-Users] list archives for zope3-users

On Nov 30, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Duncan McGreggor wrote: If anyone else has thoughts on the best way to search the mailing list archives, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I'd prefer to avoid asking questions that others have already asked. Hey Brad, I feel like we're becoming best friends ;-)

[Zope3-Users] Direct ZODB access in a Zope3 instance

Based on discussion in the 'need guidance' thread, I started looking into how to access the Zope ZODB directly from within Python scripts. I haven't gotten very far yet. I'm still at the beginning of the docs at trying out the example code

[Zope3-Users] Re: list archives for zope3-users

Brad Allen wrote: I'm looking for a better way to search and read the list archives for this list.  Here are the list archives that I know about. ... If anyone else has thoughts on the best way to search the mailing list archives, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I'd prefer to avoid asking qu

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

At 10:45 AM -0700 11/30/05, Duncan McGreggor wrote: Hmm, again, I think you *might* want to stay away from an approach that interacts directly with the ZODB. Unless you're not using z3/Zope 2... I didn't see this posting until after I started a new thread called "Direct ZODB access in a Zop

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

At 7:55 AM -0500 11/30/05, Stephan Richter wrote: We are currently not supporting TTW development. Thus, in Zope 3 you cannot develop templates TTW well yet. Ok, that alters my plans somewhat. But I can still have end user contribute/edit content within the ZMI, right? Maybe a ZPT component ju

[Zope3-Users] Re: list archives for zope3-users

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 11:52:06AM -0700, Duncan McGreggor wrote: | On Nov 30, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Duncan McGreggor wrote: | | >>If anyone else has thoughts on the best way to search the mailing | >>list archives, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I'd prefer to avoid | >>asking questions that othe

[Zope3-Users] Re: list archives for zope3-users

kooto wrote: Brad Allen wrote: If anyone else has thoughts on the best way to search the mailing list archives, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I'd prefer to avoid asking questions that others have already asked. Nabble is another searchable archive like Gmane. http://www.nabble.com/Zope-f6

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

On Nov 30, 2005, at 12:13 PM, Brad Allen wrote: Hmm, again, I think you *might* want to stay away from an approach that interacts directly with the ZODB. Unless you're not using z3/Zope 2... I didn't see this posting until after I started a new thread called "Direct ZODB access in a Zope3 in

[Zope3-Users] Re: need guidance

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 01:25:57PM -0600, Brad Allen wrote: | At 7:55 AM -0500 11/30/05, Stephan Richter wrote: | >We are currently not supporting TTW development. Thus, in Zope 3 you cannot | >>develop templates TTW well yet. | | Ok, that alters my plans somewhat. But I can still have end | user

[Zope3-Users] Re: list archives for zope3-users

Brad Allen wrote: I'm looking for a better way to search and read the list archives for this list. Here are the list archives that I know about. Text file archives: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-users Searchable mail archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/zope3-users@zope.org/ Gmane pr

[Zope3-Users] Re: list archives for zope3-users

Brad Allen wrote: I'm looking for a better way to search and read the list archives for this list. Here are the list archives that I know about. Text file archives: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-users Searchable mail archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/zope3-users@zope.org/ Gmane pr

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

On Nov 30, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Brad Allen wrote: At 1:17 AM -0500 11/30/05, Chris McDonough wrote: While you're developing, it's much easier because the *content* in your ZODB doesn't typically have any value during development. If it does have value during development, you have a developmen

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

On Nov 29, 2005, at 3:45 PM, Brad Allen wrote: I'm still in the midst of an effort at learning Zope 3, while try to build a real website for it. I have ambitions for using Zope 3 in several different projects, and am actively working on a Zope 3 website that I hope to have looking presentable

[Zope3-Users] Re: need guidance

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 11:38:02AM -0600, Brad Allen wrote: | At 1:17 AM -0500 11/30/05, Chris McDonough wrote: | >While you're developing, it's much easier because the *content* in | >your ZODB doesn't typically have any value during development. If | >it does have value during development, you

Re: [Zope3-Users] content object migration (was: need guidance)

On Nov 30, 2005, at 12:49 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: As we move towards another iteration, if I need to, while I'm writing code, I write evolution scripts that are capable of fixing ZODB data in place between milestone revisions of code. I happen to know exactly when I need to do this, becau

[Zope3-Users] My principals not being found by PrincipalRegistry

Specifically, this relates to the undo page. I have my own class of principal folder, as well as several classes of principals. These work for login, but when looking at the undo page, I get "not available". Is there something I manually have to do in order to get my principals to be available in

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

At 12:52 PM -0700 11/30/05, Duncan McGreggor wrote: Do you have a zope2 background? With a background in zope2 and twisted, I found z3 very easy (delightful) to learn. My first z3 site was done from scratch, with graphic design, custom user-editable content in under 3 weeks. I was an instant z3

[Zope3-Users] Permission required for renaming?

Hi List, My users are unable to rename things, seemingly everywhere. They can add, remove, but not rename, or cut/copy. I'm not sure how to set the permission for this. Thanks, Alec ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org

Re: [Zope3-Users] Direct ZODB access in a Zope3 instance

I'm copying some discussion here from another thread called "need guidance". At 12:33 PM -0700 11/30/05, Duncan McGreggor wrote: Hmm, again, I think you *might* want to stay away from an approach that interacts directly with the ZODB. Unless you're not using z3/Zope 2... Brad Allen replied:

Re: [Zope3-Users] need guidance

At 12:33 PM -0700 11/30/05, Duncan McGreggor wrote: In addition, I've written a python script that auto-generates a starter z3 project for you, after asking a couple questions. If you want to use it, I'd be more than willing to answer any questions about it (an thus improve it) off-list. You ca

Re: [Zope3-Users] content object migration (was: need guidance)

On Nov 30, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Duncan McGreggor wrote: On Nov 30, 2005, at 12:49 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: As we move towards another iteration, if I need to, while I'm writing code, I write evolution scripts that are capable of fixing ZODB data in place between milestone revisions of code

Re: [Zope3-Users] Direct ZODB access in a Zope3 instance

On Nov 30, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Brad Allen wrote: Ok, so using the app/server framework to read and write from ZODB is the way to go. I'm trying to understand exactly how that works. The books show how to register components using ZCML, but that doesn't create instances, right? As far as I can r

Re: [Zope3-Users] Direct ZODB access in a Zope3 instance

Brad Allen wrote: Meanwhile, the chapter in Philikon's book on persistence just shows how to create persistent classes and talks about how they work, but it doesn't say anything about how to insert an instance into ZODB. Duncan McGreggor wrote: It's done for you "automatically" -- when you cli

Re: [Zope3-Users] Direct ZODB access in a Zope3 instance

At 5:01 PM -0700 11/30/05, Duncan McGreggor wrote: z3 utilizes a component-based approach - both in the way that it was built and in the way that applications are built using it. To "get a hold" of certain components, you use various useful functions that are provided in the zapi (many of whi

[Zope3-Users] Re: list archives for zope3-users

I think my favorite is Nabble, though of the two links Kooto provided, the one that contains only Zope3 list postings seems to most useful. At 11:05 AM -0800 11/30/05, kooto (sent by Nabble.com) wrote: Nabble is another searchable archive like Gmane. http:/