Hi Jordi, You can always bring any topic to apnic-talk mailing list for discussion. Not everything has to be discussed on policy-sig mailing list.
And somehow I’m not receiving your emails sent to the policy-sig mailing list :) On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 11:15 pm, Srinivas Chendi <su...@apnic.net> wrote: > Hi Jordi, > > Thanks for your contribution to this discussion so far. > > As per the SIG Guidelines, Policy SIG Chair is responsible to accept or > reject a proposal and to check if it is in scope of the active SIG charter. > > Please refer to the section 2.4 of SIG Guidelines > https://www.apnic.net/community/participate/sigs/sig-guidelines/ > > <snip> > Accept or reject proposals for discussion at the forthcoming SIG (and > suggest an alternative forum if the topic is not relevant to that > particular SIG) [1] > > [1] The Chair may decide that a proposal is not suitable for discussion > at the forthcoming SIG session if: > > The proposal is out of scope for the SIG > The proposal is insufficiently developed to be the basis for a > useful discussion > The agenda has already been filled by topics of greater priority > </snip> > > Regards > Sunny > > On 14/05/2019 8:11 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > I’m not interpreting the PDP as part of that, however, I’m fine if the > > staff confirms that it is in-scope according to their understanding. > > > > We have a recent experience of policies (resource hijacking is a policy > > violation) being declared out-of-scope in ARIN by the AC. I know the PDP > > is very different, but let’s make sure we don’t have this situation > > replicated in other APNIC. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jordi > > > > El 11/5/19 18:05, "Owen DeLong" <o...@delong.com > > <mailto:o...@delong.com>> escribió: > > > > > > On May 11, 2019, at 06:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > > <jordi.pa...@consulintel.es <mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es>> wrote: > > > > Just to make it clear. Do you believe that the PDP update is out of > > the scope? > > > > No > > > > > > > > I think that the PDP is not related to resource management, but the > > “self-management” of the way the community discusses the resource > > management and agree on the way it should be managed. > > > > The pdp is absolutely related to the management of resources in that it > > is the process by which we develop those policies. > > > > > > > > And for me as more we restrict the wording, more risks to wrongly > > get things that today are in-scope, to be left out. > > > > Agreed. However, in my view, your proposal is not less restrictive, just > > more verbose. > > > > Owen > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jordi > > > > El 11/5/19 1:27, "Owen DeLong" <o...@delong.com > > <mailto:o...@delong.com>> escribió: > > > > That’s not more generic, Jordi, it’s just more words. > > > > There’s nothing within the scope of the policy manual or its updates > > that doesn’t relate to the management and use of internet address > > resources. > > > > Owen > > > > > > > > > > On May 10, 2019, at 09:30 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > > <jordi.pa...@consulintel.es <mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es>> > > wrote: > > > > Hi Paul, all, > > > > I feel that this proposed charter is not good enough. > > > > Let me try to explain it. > > > > In RIPE we have a WG for every kind of “topic”, for example, > > addressing, abuse, routing, etc. The PDP updates are discussed > > in the “plenary” (we have recent small update and this was not > > really clear). > > > > However, in all the other regions, all the “topics” are within > > the same “unique” WG. There is an exception for ARIN (if I’m > > correct) where the PDP is not part of this “policy discussion > > group”. > > > > The proposed charter, may fail to cover for example the PDP > > update, but I feel there are many other topics that may be in > > the future in the same situation. > > > > So why not something more generic in the line of: > > > > “The Policy SIG charter is to develop policies which relate to > > the management and use of Internet address resources within the > > Asia Pacific region, including any topics under the scope of the > > Policy manual or updates of it”. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jordi > > > > El 9/5/19 23:51, "Paul Wilson" > > <sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net > > <mailto:sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net>en nombre > > depwil...@apnic.net <mailto:pwil...@apnic.net>> escribió: > > > > Dear Sumon and all, > > > > To reduce confusion over ISP/LIR/etc terminology, perhaps the > > charter could be stated more simply, along these lines: > > > > “The Policy SIG charter is to develop policies which relate to > > the management and use of Internet address resources within the > > Asia Pacific region. …” > > > > My 2c, with best regards, > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC d...@apnic.net > > <mailto:d...@apnic.net> > > http://www.apnic.net <http://www.apnic.net/>@apnicdg > > > > On 9 May 2019, at 19:53, Sumon Ahmed Sabir wrote: > > > > Thank you very much Aftab and Owen for your constructive > > feedback. We will definitely consider those views. > > > > If any one has any different perspective please jump in and > > share your thoughts. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Sumon > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:52 AM Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com > > <mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: > > > > Aftab, I think you misread the proposed language. > > > > First, neither the current version nor the proposed > > version refer to members at all, but to the actions of > > the APNIC, NIRs, and ISPs. The one change I think should > > be made there is to replace ISPs with LIRs since not all > > LIRs are technically ISPs, though that is certainly the > > most common case. > > > > As to your “not limited to” or “services related to > > resources”, I fail to see how that is not addressed by > > the proposed “…and related services”. > > > > I support the language proposed by Sumon whether or not > > he chooses to take my NIR suggestion. > > > > Owen > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 5, 2019, at 03:21 , Aftab Siddiqui > > <aftab.siddi...@gmail.com > > <mailto:aftab.siddi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Thanks Sumon bhai for the initiative, > > > > <nitpik> > > > > Revised text suggest that all members/resource > > holders in APNIC are ISPs only, I would suggest to > > make it "APNIC and NIR members or resource holders > > in Asia Pacific region". Because not all members are > > resource holders. > > > > Secondly, when you start mentioning topics in the > > charter then it may create confusion moving forward > > that only these topics can be covered so how about > > adding "not limited to" or "services related to > > resources" or something like that. > > > > </nitpik> > > > > Regards, > > > > Aftab A. Siddiqui > > > > On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 4:31 PM Sumon Ahmed Sabir > > <sasa...@gmail.com <mailto:sasa...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the last APNIC meeting in Daejoan there was a > > discussion that there is a perception > > > > That Policy SIG discusses only about “Address > > Policy”. On the other hand there is a > understanding > > > > that Policy SIG covers a wider range of registry > > issues, RPKI or any other topics that requires a > > > > procedures and rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > To avoid confusion and to bring clarity in the > > Policy Charter few proposals came in. That > > either we can change the Name of the Policy SIG > > to cover wider range or to amend the Policy-SIG > > Charter to bring clarity about the scope of > > Policy SIG. > > > > > > > > > > > > After discussions chairs feels that we can make > > some changes in the SIG Charter to bring clarity: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Current SIG Charter > > > https://www.apnic.net/community/policy/policy-sig/ says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘The Policy SIG charter is to develop policies > > and procedures which relate to the management and > > > > use of Internet address resources by APNIC, > > NIRs, and ISPs within the Asia Pacific region.” > > > > > > > > > > > > And here is the possible changes proposed: > > > > > > > > > > > > “The Policy SIG charter is to develop policies > > which relate to the management and use of > > Internet address resources by APNIC, NIRs, > > and ISPs within the Asia Pacific region. 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