Hi Jordi, Thanks for your contribution to this discussion so far.
As per the SIG Guidelines, Policy SIG Chair is responsible to accept or reject a proposal and to check if it is in scope of the active SIG charter. Please refer to the section 2.4 of SIG Guidelines https://www.apnic.net/community/participate/sigs/sig-guidelines/ <snip> Accept or reject proposals for discussion at the forthcoming SIG (and suggest an alternative forum if the topic is not relevant to that particular SIG) [1] [1] The Chair may decide that a proposal is not suitable for discussion at the forthcoming SIG session if: The proposal is out of scope for the SIG The proposal is insufficiently developed to be the basis for a useful discussion The agenda has already been filled by topics of greater priority </snip> Regards Sunny On 14/05/2019 8:11 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > I’m not interpreting the PDP as part of that, however, I’m fine if the > staff confirms that it is in-scope according to their understanding. > > We have a recent experience of policies (resource hijacking is a policy > violation) being declared out-of-scope in ARIN by the AC. I know the PDP > is very different, but let’s make sure we don’t have this situation > replicated in other APNIC. > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > El 11/5/19 18:05, "Owen DeLong" <o...@delong.com > <mailto:o...@delong.com>> escribió: > > > On May 11, 2019, at 06:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > <jordi.pa...@consulintel.es <mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es>> wrote: > > Just to make it clear. Do you believe that the PDP update is out of > the scope? > > No > > > > I think that the PDP is not related to resource management, but the > “self-management” of the way the community discusses the resource > management and agree on the way it should be managed. > > The pdp is absolutely related to the management of resources in that it > is the process by which we develop those policies. > > > > And for me as more we restrict the wording, more risks to wrongly > get things that today are in-scope, to be left out. > > Agreed. However, in my view, your proposal is not less restrictive, just > more verbose. > > Owen > > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > El 11/5/19 1:27, "Owen DeLong" <o...@delong.com > <mailto:o...@delong.com>> escribió: > > That’s not more generic, Jordi, it’s just more words. > > There’s nothing within the scope of the policy manual or its updates > that doesn’t relate to the management and use of internet address > resources. > > Owen > > > > > On May 10, 2019, at 09:30 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > <jordi.pa...@consulintel.es <mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es>> > wrote: > > Hi Paul, all, > > I feel that this proposed charter is not good enough. > > Let me try to explain it. > > In RIPE we have a WG for every kind of “topic”, for example, > addressing, abuse, routing, etc. The PDP updates are discussed > in the “plenary” (we have recent small update and this was not > really clear). > > However, in all the other regions, all the “topics” are within > the same “unique” WG. There is an exception for ARIN (if I’m > correct) where the PDP is not part of this “policy discussion > group”. > > The proposed charter, may fail to cover for example the PDP > update, but I feel there are many other topics that may be in > the future in the same situation. > > So why not something more generic in the line of: > > “The Policy SIG charter is to develop policies which relate to > the management and use of Internet address resources within the > Asia Pacific region, including any topics under the scope of the > Policy manual or updates of it”. > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > El 9/5/19 23:51, "Paul Wilson" > <sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net > <mailto:sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net>en nombre > depwil...@apnic.net <mailto:pwil...@apnic.net>> escribió: > > Dear Sumon and all, > > To reduce confusion over ISP/LIR/etc terminology, perhaps the > charter could be stated more simply, along these lines: > > “The Policy SIG charter is to develop policies which relate to > the management and use of Internet address resources within the > Asia Pacific region. …” > > My 2c, with best regards, > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC d...@apnic.net > <mailto:d...@apnic.net> > http://www.apnic.net <http://www.apnic.net/>@apnicdg > > On 9 May 2019, at 19:53, Sumon Ahmed Sabir wrote: > > Thank you very much Aftab and Owen for your constructive > feedback. We will definitely consider those views. > > If any one has any different perspective please jump in and > share your thoughts. > > Sincerely, > > Sumon > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:52 AM Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com > <mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: > > Aftab, I think you misread the proposed language. > > First, neither the current version nor the proposed > version refer to members at all, but to the actions of > the APNIC, NIRs, and ISPs. The one change I think should > be made there is to replace ISPs with LIRs since not all > LIRs are technically ISPs, though that is certainly the > most common case. > > As to your “not limited to” or “services related to > resources”, I fail to see how that is not addressed by > the proposed “…and related services”. > > I support the language proposed by Sumon whether or not > he chooses to take my NIR suggestion. > > Owen > > > > > > On May 5, 2019, at 03:21 , Aftab Siddiqui > <aftab.siddi...@gmail.com > <mailto:aftab.siddi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Thanks Sumon bhai for the initiative, > > <nitpik> > > Revised text suggest that all members/resource > holders in APNIC are ISPs only, I would suggest to > make it "APNIC and NIR members or resource holders > in Asia Pacific region". Because not all members are > resource holders. > > Secondly, when you start mentioning topics in the > charter then it may create confusion moving forward > that only these topics can be covered so how about > adding "not limited to" or "services related to > resources" or something like that. > > </nitpik> > > Regards, > > Aftab A. Siddiqui > > On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 4:31 PM Sumon Ahmed Sabir > <sasa...@gmail.com <mailto:sasa...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Members, > > > > > > In the last APNIC meeting in Daejoan there was a > discussion that there is a perception > > That Policy SIG discusses only about “Address > Policy”. On the other hand there is a understanding > > that Policy SIG covers a wider range of registry > issues, RPKI or any other topics that requires a > > procedures and rules. > > > > > > To avoid confusion and to bring clarity in the > Policy Charter few proposals came in. 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