False information again.
There was not win in the lawsuit, specially about the usage of the IP
address.
Please refrain from misinforming APNIC community for your own business
benefit.
You may be new to policy forums, don't seem to know how things have
always worked and keep making attacks to the way APNIC and other RIRs
should operate and that does not match the interest of community.
On 09/09/2022 10:35, Lu Heng wrote:
Hi
As for afrinic, I won the lawsuit, and see what happens to afrinic is
public information, google it.
LACNIC I honestly don’t know due to their primary language is Spanish.
ARIN makes it very clear, you can not use lease as a way to get new
resources(basically take advantage of knowledge of how to apply
space), but you free to lease the the space you have, and because they
have ran out a decades ago, so the formal probably doesn’t matter anyway.
Try to propose this policy in ARIN and RIPE and see if you will be
laughed out room.
So, no, you are giving misinformation.
On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 at 21:31, Fernando Frediani <[email protected]>
wrote:
This is totally false information.
Try to Leasing IP addresses in AfriNic or LACNIC and see what will
happen with the resources you are responsible for.
And for ARIN try to justify the need for the resources saying they
will be leased and see what will happen.
Fernando
On 09/09/2022 07:01, Lu Heng wrote:
Hi Ernest:
RIPE, ARIN,AFRINIC does not have any of the similar policy.
Due to language barriers, I am not familiar with LACINIC.
On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 17:51, ERNEST TSE
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi All,
Just take a look of this new policy suggested and I know this
is still in discussion stage.
First at all, my business don't have any IP leasing business
in APNIC region. And majorly my business is doing hosting
business, and now I'm sitting in RIPE region (UK) for my
business.
For my view of this new policy as below:
(1) Is that RIPE really have this kind of policy? Which one?
(This policy suggested RIPE have this kind of policy?) I
cannot see it the same thing in RIPE of our membership account.
(2) If leasing is not allowed, is that mean small business
(New hosting / ISP) won't be able to get the new IPv4 address
from leasing market? Or they just can buy it at high cost
from second market?
(3) The policy suggested that there need to have "direct
connection", is that mean GRE/VPN is also not included? How
about if some customers in mainland China, they would like to
get virtual Internet address from outside(mainly HK) in some
case?
(4) Any new solution for new comer to apply IPv4 direct from
APNIC? If no, what they can do?
Hope someone can answer of above questions.
Thank you,
Ernest Tse
Lu Heng <[email protected]> 於 2022年9月9日 週五
下午4:13寫道：
Aftab:
Any of APNIC document can not be outside scope of law.
Or you suggesting that clause will except APNIC from rule
of law?
On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 16:01, Aftab Siddiqui
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Lu,
On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 16:35, Lu Heng
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Andrew:
No, I did not say the registrar has no power to
enforce its own contract.
I am saying the power in such a contract is very
limited.
And policies being made here can not dump out of
legal limitation of a contract.
IANAL, but just for your information.
Membership Agreement
The Member must:
3.2 (d) Comply with this agreement and all APNIC
Documents.
All policies once approved and implemented become
part of the APNIC documents and that's why they
become part of the membership agreement.
Anyways, we were discussing the merit of the policy
on technical and operational grounds not on political
grounds or business interest.
Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui
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