A simple google will tell you I am not new to the policy forum. Yes, I have won the lawsuit, the judgement is in public, google it.
As I said many times before, RIR is small private companies can not leverage it’s monopoly position on third party, I simply proven that point—the usage of the IP address are none business of RIR. RIR are bookkeepers, they are invented that way, rob said it! Why you giving false information while accusing others? While a simple google will proven you misleading? Try to learn how to use modern search engine before you believe you can mislead people. On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 at 21:40, Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> wrote: > False information again. > There was not win in the lawsuit, specially about the usage of the IP > address. > > Please refrain from misinforming APNIC community for your own business > benefit. > > You may be new to policy forums, don't seem to know how things have always > worked and keep making attacks to the way APNIC and other RIRs should > operate and that does not match the interest of community. > > On 09/09/2022 10:35, Lu Heng wrote: > > Hi > > As for afrinic, I won the lawsuit, and see what happens to afrinic is > public information, google it. > > LACNIC I honestly don’t know due to their primary language is Spanish. > > ARIN makes it very clear, you can not use lease as a way to get new > resources(basically take advantage of knowledge of how to apply space), but > you free to lease the the space you have, and because they have ran out a > decades ago, so the formal probably doesn’t matter anyway. > > Try to propose this policy in ARIN and RIPE and see if you will be laughed > out room. > > So, no, you are giving misinformation. > > > > On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 at 21:31, Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> This is totally false information. >> >> Try to Leasing IP addresses in AfriNic or LACNIC and see what will happen >> with the resources you are responsible for. >> And for ARIN try to justify the need for the resources saying they will >> be leased and see what will happen. >> >> Fernando >> On 09/09/2022 07:01, Lu Heng wrote: >> >> Hi Ernest: >> >> RIPE, ARIN,AFRINIC does not have any of the similar policy. >> >> Due to language barriers, I am not familiar with LACINIC. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 17:51, ERNEST TSE <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Just take a look of this new policy suggested and I know this is still >>> in discussion stage. >>> First at all, my business don't have any IP leasing business in APNIC >>> region. And majorly my business is doing hosting business, and now I'm >>> sitting in RIPE region (UK) for my business. >>> >>> For my view of this new policy as below: >>> (1) Is that RIPE really have this kind of policy? Which one? (This >>> policy suggested RIPE have this kind of policy?) I cannot see it the same >>> thing in RIPE of our membership account. >>> (2) If leasing is not allowed, is that mean small business (New hosting >>> / ISP) won't be able to get the new IPv4 address from leasing market? Or >>> they just can buy it at high cost from second market? >>> (3) The policy suggested that there need to have "direct connection", is >>> that mean GRE/VPN is also not included? How about if some customers in >>> mainland China, they would like to get virtual Internet address from >>> outside(mainly HK) in some case? >>> (4) Any new solution for new comer to apply IPv4 direct from APNIC? If >>> no, what they can do? >>> >>> Hope someone can answer of above questions. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Ernest Tse >>> >>> Lu Heng <[email protected]> 於 2022年9月9日 週五 下午4:13寫道： >>> >>>> Aftab: >>>> >>>> Any of APNIC document can not be outside scope of law. >>>> >>>> Or you suggesting that clause will except APNIC from rule of law? >>>> >>>> On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 16:01, Aftab Siddiqui <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Lu, >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 16:35, Lu Heng <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Andrew: >>>>>> >>>>>> No, I did not say the registrar has no power to enforce its own >>>>>> contract. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am saying the power in such a contract is very limited. >>>>>> >>>>>> And policies being made here can not dump out of legal limitation of >>>>>> a contract. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> IANAL, but just for your information. >>>>> >>>>> Membership Agreement >>>>> The Member must: >>>>> 3.2 (d) Comply with this agreement and all APNIC Documents. >>>>> >>>>> All policies once approved and implemented become part of the APNIC >>>>> documents and that's why they become part of the membership agreement. >>>>> >>>>> Anyways, we were discussing the merit of the policy on technical and >>>>> operational grounds not on political grounds or business interest. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Aftab A. Siddiqui >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Kind regards. >>>> Lu >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Kind regards. >> Lu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > -- > -- > Kind regards. > Lu > > _______________________________________________ > sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] -- -- Kind regards. 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