Hi Marco,
Small clarification from our side. We actually checked this with the policy officer around March-April-May 2022, if I recall correctly. What we got from that email exchange was that "leasing" is not defined, but also was not explicitly allowed neither disallowed as a valid justification. The point is that with the waiting list there is just a form and no justification is provided, you just confirm your intention to make assignments within 2 years and that at least one active network element in the network is active in the RIPE NCC service region to qualify for a single /24. The point is if we were to ask for a justification, I don’t see how come I will be able to say “I will not make assignments, but lease addresses”, right? Otherwise, we should say that it is the wild west, really ugly. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 12/9/22, 10:39, "Marco Schmidt" <[email protected]> escribió: Hello Ernest and colleagues, I would like to provide some clarification for the RIPE region. The proposal states -------------- In other RIRs, the leasing of addresses is not authorized either and since it is not explicit in their policy manuals either, this proposal will be presented as well. Nothing is currently mentioned in RIPE about this and it is not acceptable as a justification of the need. [...] -------------- In the RIPE region the term "leasing" is not defined and therefore it does not play a role in the request evaluation. Further, the RIPE policies for IPv4 do not require any specific justification of the need. Before providing a statement about the policy status in the RIPE region, I kindly suggest that proposers contact first our Policy Officer ([email protected]) for input. Kind regards, Marco Schmidt Manager Registration Services & Policy Development RIPE NCC On 09/09/2022 18:01, Lu Heng wrote: Hi Ernest: RIPE, ARIN,AFRINIC does not have any of the similar policy. Due to language barriers, I am not familiar with LACINIC. On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 17:51, ERNEST TSE <[email protected]> wrote: Hi All, Just take a look of this new policy suggested and I know this is still in discussion stage. First at all, my business don't have any IP leasing business in APNIC region. And majorly my business is doing hosting business, and now I'm sitting in RIPE region (UK) for my business. For my view of this new policy as below: (1) Is that RIPE really have this kind of policy? Which one? (This policy suggested RIPE have this kind of policy?) I cannot see it the same thing in RIPE of our membership account. (2) If leasing is not allowed, is that mean small business (New hosting / ISP) won't be able to get the new IPv4 address from leasing market? Or they just can buy it at high cost from second market? (3) The policy suggested that there need to have "direct connection", is that mean GRE/VPN is also not included? How about if some customers in mainland China, they would like to get virtual Internet address from outside(mainly HK) in some case? (4) Any new solution for new comer to apply IPv4 direct from APNIC? If no, what they can do? Hope someone can answer of above questions. Thank you, Ernest Tse Lu Heng <[email protected]> 於 2022年9月9日 週五 下午4:13寫道： Aftab: Any of APNIC document can not be outside scope of law. Or you suggesting that clause will except APNIC from rule of law? On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 16:01, Aftab Siddiqui <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Lu, On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 16:35, Lu Heng <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Andrew: No, I did not say the registrar has no power to enforce its own contract. I am saying the power in such a contract is very limited. And policies being made here can not dump out of legal limitation of a contract. IANAL, but just for your information. Membership Agreement The Member must: 3.2 (d) Comply with this agreement and all APNIC Documents. All policies once approved and implemented become part of the APNIC documents and that's why they become part of the membership agreement. Anyways, we were discussing the merit of the policy on technical and operational grounds not on political grounds or business interest. Regards, Aftab A. Siddiqui -- -- Kind regards. Lu _______________________________________________ sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] _______________________________________________ sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] -- -- Kind regards. 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