Actually the evidence is on Charles' side. Practiced wine-tasters can
identify many different characteristics of wine with high statistical
significance.

This is not to say it isn't a major outlet for snobbery.

-T
On Nov 10, 2011 4:36 AM, "Charles Haynes" <charles.hay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:24 PM, ss <cybers...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 Nov 2011 2:17:14 pm Deepa Mohan wrote:
> >> I don't see anything wrong with liking the cheapest and most plonky
> wine in
> >> the supermarket.
> >>
> > Deepa wine appreciation is pure snobbery nothing else.
>
> Certainly there are wine drinkers who are purely snobs and nothing
> else, but I assure you that I learned to taste wines in a rather
> stricter, more structured way.
>
> A friend of mine used to conduct semi-weekly wine tastings, usually
> 5-6 bottles either of a single varietal from a single producer over
> multiple years (a "vertical" tasting) or 5-6 bottles of a single
> varietal from multiple producers in the same region in a single year
> (a "horizontal" tasting). Both vertical tastings and horizontal
> tastings usually had one or two "ringers" - wines that were either
> from a different producer (in the case of a vertical) or from a
> different grape, region, or year in the case of a horizontal. The
> wines were put in opaque bags by one person, and given random letter
> labels by a different person. We then poured a measured portion of
> each wine into our separate lettered glasses.
>
> The tasting itself was relatively structured, each person evaluating
> each wine indepenently of everyone else, writing down observations
> about color, aroma and taste along multiple dimensions and at
> different times. Each person then rated the wines by letter, and the
> ratings were collected.
>
> The scores were aggregated and the wines were then revealed from
> lowest to highest.
>
> From this, over time, we learned how to identify grape varietals,
> producers, styles, various kinds of defects, and how to distinguish
> and describe different wines. Because the tastings were double blind,
> we were not influenced by brand or price. It was in the course of
> years of these kinds of tastings that I determined my own preferences
> in wine style and varietals (I tend to prefer reds in a traditional
> burgundian style - usually pure pinot noir - and I dislike big
> extracted wines, or whites with a lot of oak for example.) I am a big
> fan of traditional champagnes, and at one point I could tell if a
> champagne from a producer I was unfamiliar with was from Marne, Reims,
> or Cote de Blancs, blind.
>
> We also did what's called a "components" tasting, where we would start
> with 5-6 identical bottles and add specific components (like tannin,
> oak, malic acid, lactic acid, sweetness, and ketones) would be added
> in small amounts to the wine to let us learn what those flavors were
> like in wines.
>
> Anyway, I'm just trying to say that no actually, real wine
> appreciation is a learned skill that can be used for snobbery or not
> as suits the inclination of the individual. I find that it enhances my
> enjoyment of wine to have a discerning palate, but it also means I do
> not get as much enjoyment out of boxed wine as I did when I was
> younger. I'm willing to make that sacrifice.
>
> -- Charles
>
>

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