Here is a table top unit that may be sufficient for a horse:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Table-Desk-top-POWER-NEB-Nebulizer-Compressor-AEROSOL_W0QQitemZ270388545665QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef469c881#ht_1730wt_868
Here is the info on the new hand held that included a phone
number for the supplier who I talked to about the particle
size. He may be able to advise you to match prices with
other eBay offers.
OMRON NE-U22v BATTERY PORTABLE NEBULIZER
http://cgi.ebay.com/OMRON-NE-U22v-BATTERY-PORTABLE-NEBULIZER-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ290354476753QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439a79b6d1#ht_630wt_1167
Sold By SecureNet Medical, Ltd, Quitman TX ph# 888-255-2509
Garnet
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Malcolm wrote:
Hi Garnet,
Thanks for your reply; I went on ebay and couldn't find an Omron unit,
though I did see some rather interesting pieces of plastic; basketballs,
duckies, spaceships (I think), and a few super-expensive (by my
standards, $250) ones which pre-heated the water and controlled that
temp Digitally! It used a titanium nitrite(sic) element - I expect it
was a misprint for titanium nitride, but also expect it is no more
effective at nebulizing water than the older barium nitride or the
cheaper magnetostrictive elements common in such units as the KAZ and
many others, the trick being the frequency at which the water is
agitated by the element - usually around 42,000 cycles per second by
whatever does the agitating. I exclude the handheld, "personal" or
whatever units, in favor of the room-sized ones categorically, since the
idea is to get a medication or whatever into the animals lungs in a
reasonable time, and I expect you know better than I that a horse
breathes a LOT of air.
So, in short: "Let the buyer beware." Meanwhile I'll attempt to check
further and find the tech literature you refer to, or contact an Omron
or Swiss-Air dealer.
Take care,
Malcolm
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 12:54 -0500, Garnet wrote:
What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on
line and noticed
that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in
droplet size, the
smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although
this may not be
true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in
their
hand held unit.
The idea of the droplet being too small was mentioned to me by
a seller of the new Omron US unit. You can call him and ask him
since he would know much more than I do. He sells the new unit
on eBay which is where I found his email, he is in Texas.
Garnet
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Malcolm wrote:
Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived
at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the
same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude
I've seen for humans.
My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on
the basis of an advertisement, not facts. Consider what either of these
do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are
not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively
delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets
like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers
make.
The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be "too small"
seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left
behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being
"nebulized" - which I think means "fogged". And if that were the case,
it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung
tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level -
has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e.
packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with
the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably
compact and protected flexible space.
Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor
effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?)
why not set aside some presumed (dare I say "nebulous"? <g>) theoretical
perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the
results, not the ad copy.
One additional note; how many "nebulizers" does a veterinarian have to
have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through
the clinic door? Give you a clue? Does me. . . .
HTH,
Malcolm
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote:
The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size
above or
below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung
tissue.
Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a
nebulizer.
You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone
who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs.
It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I
was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list
were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all
you have
then it is better than nothing but an ultrasonic humidifier
is not
equivalent to an ultrasonic nebulizer. That is my only point.
Garnet
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