On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: > > Garnet, > I generally love your posts and respect your considerable knowledge, but I > have > to vehemently disagree with your stance on ozone.
Love and respect are valuable to me Nenah and I thank you for that. But truth is my only interest here. I will give you a ten second warning that when you call me out you should know by now that I will not hold back in order to avoid hurting your feelings. This is not personal, it is purely professional. As I have stated to others I am an equal opportunity bull hockey caller. > Time constraints prevent me from writing as much as I'd like. But briefly, if > ozone were "toxic," it would not be used as an approved and SUCCESSFUL medical > therapy in Europe and other locations. Toxic as defined in Stedman's Medical Dictionary means poisonous. Poisonous is defined as injurious or dangerous to health. Even aspirin is an approved and successful medical therapy, this does not mean it has no toxicity. > > I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and > use > it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and > other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. Do you know what that compound is? If not how do you know if it is toxic? Not all toxic effects are immediately apparent. Olive Oil is often not pure and may contain hexane or lye. How do you know that the olive oil you are using is actually pure -- do you have it assayed, do you know batch numbers in case there is a recall? Tee Tree oil if it is an inferior grade can contain toxic compounds -- again do you use assayed numbered batches? > THIS IS VERY HEALING > FOR THE LUNGS. Insufflated through the ears, ozone helps clear sinus > infections, > ear infections, and the brain fog of candida. Insufflated through the vagina, > ozone gets into the lymph system and helps clear out toxins. Many substances have a therapeutic effect at low doses and are toxic at higher concentrations or when mixed with other substances. Ammonia and bleach come to mind. Used seprately in low concentrations they are very safe and even have therapeutic benefits in insect stings, the prevention of infection in wound care, and to sterilize water and objects. But in higher concentrations are toxic or when if safe levels are mixed will kill you because they release a very toxic chlorine gas. This is the "nerve gas" used during World War I to kill people. > > Ozone scavenges toxins. In the proper amounts it does not harm normal, healthy > tissue. Ozone may scavenge toxins but it also produces toxins. What are the amounts that you consider proper Nenah. Do you even know the ppm of the treatments you administer? Or what blood levels they produce? If not then you are treading on very risky ground. > The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago Absolutely not true Nenah, there are many studies since the 50's that demonstrate toxic effects of pure ozone. See this is what I mean by practitioners who take someone else's word for the safety of a practice without actually doing their own checking -- you have simply demonstrated my point very well. Do you even know how to look up this information Nenah? If so why have you not done so. Here is one refernce for you: "....It is important to note that pulmonary toxicity has been observed in experimental animals after relatively short exposures to concentrations of ozone . . ." (Lippmann, 1989) > that never distinguished between PURE ozone and CONTAMINATED ozone -- i.e., > ozone that was **combined with pollutants.** The pollutants were produced when > ozone was made improperly, period. And, it was the pollutants that were toxic, > NOT THE OZONE ITSELF. There is some great documentation about this in > Appendix A > of my new book on sauna therapy. It was the ozone itself. Here is another reference that you can find in most medical libraries and many public libraries. What are the citations in your new book Nenah. I would certainly like to see their data! Can you provide those references please? "Ozone is a primary oxidant and thus is a lung irritant that is capable of causing __death from pulmonary edema__. Gross pulmonary edema is evident in mice exposed to concentrations above 2 ppm. Ozone causes desquamation of the epithelium throughout the ciliated airways and produces degenerative changes in type I cells and swelling or rupture of the capillary endothelium in the alveoli. The type I cells are later replaced by type II cells; this type II cell proliferation is a hallmark of ozone toxicity. . . . Chronic bronchitis, fibrosis, and emphysematous changes are observed in a variety of species exposed to ozone concentrations slightly above 1 ppm. Ozone at concentrations of 0.25 to 0.75 ppm causes shallow, rapid breathing, a decrease in pulmonary compliance . . . Ozone also increases the sensitivity of the lung to bronchoconstrictors . . . It increases the incidence of infection in laboratory animals exposed to an aerosol of infectious microorganisms, probably through an inhibition of clearance mechanisms." Goodman and Gilman's The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics 10th Edition pp 1879; CR 2001 The copyright date 2001 indicates it is quite up to date. The information is meticulously reviewed by a world renowed board of editors and specialists in their respective fields. This is the 10th edition of this standard reference work published over the past 64 years. > > Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will > irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't > mean > ozone is toxic. Yes actually it does mean that ozone is toxic because the definition of toxic is injurious to health. > Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too > high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it > just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! ". . . the purified plant pigment carotene (provitamin A) is a remarkably potent source of vitamin A." Ibid pp 1774 "Toxicity in adults has resulted from extended self-medication or food fads. . . . The toxicity of retinol depends on the age of the patient, the dose and the duration of administration. Although vitamin A toxicity is uncommon in adults who consume less than 30 mg of retinol per day, mild symptoms of chronic retinol intoxication have been detected in individuals whose intake was about 10 mg per day for 6 months. (Bendich and Langseth, 1989)." Ibid pp 1778 > > Ozone has proven tremendously healing for me and for many, many others with > whom > I have personal contact. I urge the more open minded of you to see for > yourself > what this amazing therapy can do. For more information, you can join the > Oxyplus > list at Yahoo. My posts on this list speak for my open minded nature. But open minded does not mean unquestioning or unable to discern truth or validity. I never said that ozone was without therapeutic benefit. Resorting to spin and disinformation to sell or defend a practice is however an indication of being closed minded -- close to the truth. An inability to discern safety in therapeutics is a very dangerous quality for anyone particularly a health care practitioner, author or consultant. But as usual when I refute the erroneous information you post Nenah you will disappear from the list for a period of time until you presume the list has forgotten your poorly researched and misleading information, also known in the vernacular as "spin". But you see these are the exact types of posts that I do not forget and that give alternative medicine practioners a bad name. I might also point out that I do not sell anything, no products, no books, my consultations on this list are offered freely to all. I have no axe to grind or sale to make. I am interested in full disclosure and public access to truth. Garnet MA Pharmacology Alternative Health Consultant since 1979 > > Nenah > > Nenah Sylver, PhD > Holistic health products, supplements and services > http://www.nenahsylver.com > Author of newly released > The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >
