----- Original Message ----- From: "Garnet" <[email protected]> To: "Silver List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:11 AM Subject: CS>
> Toxic as defined in Stedman's Medical Dictionary means poisonous. > Poisonous is defined as injurious or dangerous to health. I know what poisonous means, Garnet. Ozone is not poisonous. > Even aspirin is an approved and successful medical therapy, this does > not mean it has no toxicity. I am not equating ozone to aspirin. Aspirin is frankly toxic at most doses, and I wouldn't take it. > > I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use > > it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and > > other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. > Do you know what that compound is? If not how do you know if it is > toxic? Not all toxic effects are immediately apparent. Olive Oil is > often not pure and may contain hexane or lye. How do you know that the > olive oil you are using is actually pure -- do you have it assayed, do > you know batch numbers in case there is a recall? Tee Tree oil if it is > an inferior grade can contain toxic compounds -- again do you use > assayed numbered batches? This is a spurious argument. If I spent my time getting substances assayed, I wouldn't be living. I am satisfied that the substances I'm using with ozone are pure. > Many substances have a therapeutic effect at low doses and are toxic at > higher concentrations or when mixed with other substances. Yes, like hydrochloric acid, which people take to augment their own supply when the stomach is not making enough. > Ozone may scavenge toxins but it also produces toxins. What are the > amounts that you consider proper Nenah. Do you even know the ppm of the > treatments you administer? Or what blood levels they produce? If not > then you are treading on very risky ground. There are settings on my units. I don't have the ppm conversion chart handy at the moment. > > The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago > Absolutely not true Nenah, there are many studies since the 50's that > demonstrate toxic effects of pure ozone. See this is what I mean by > practitioners who take someone else's word for the safety of a practice > without actually doing their own checking -- you have simply > demonstrated my point very well. And so I have medical references for the opposite. What does that prove? It proves that you follow your sources and I follow mine. I use ozone and get positive results and you do not use it because you follow your sources. > It was the ozone itself. Here is another reference that you can find in > most medical libraries and many public libraries. What are the citations > in your new book Nenah. I would certainly like to see their data! Can > you provide those references please? I will provide ONE reference here. There are more in my book. www.thefinchleyclinic.co.uk/nojavascript/therapies/ozone/safe.htm > The copyright date 2001 indicates it is quite up to date. The > information is meticulously reviewed by a world renowed board of editors > and specialists in their respective fields. This is the 10th edition of > this standard reference work published over the past 64 years. Many "experts" who are considered "standard" reading in their field say that colloidal silver is bad for you but that doesn't make them right. > > Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will > > irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean > > ozone is toxic. > Yes actually it does mean that ozone is toxic because the definition of > toxic is injurious to health. Spurious. My point above about hydrochloric acid still stands. You can take water. People need water to live but too much will kill you. It also matters whether you drink it or put your face under it. > > Ozone has proven tremendously healing for me and for many, many others with whom > > I have personal contact. I urge the more open minded of you to see for yourself > > what this amazing therapy can do. For more information, you can join the Oxyplus > > list at Yahoo. > My posts on this list speak for my open minded nature. But open minded > does not mean unquestioning or unable to discern truth or validity. I > never said that ozone was without therapeutic benefit. > > Resorting to spin and disinformation to sell or defend a practice is > however an indication of being closed minded -- close to the truth. An > inability to discern safety in therapeutics is a very dangerous quality > for anyone particularly a health care practitioner, author or > consultant. > But as usual when I refute the erroneous information you post Nenah you > will disappear from the list for a period of time until you presume the > list has forgotten your poorly researched and misleading information, > also known in the vernacular as "spin". But you see these are the exact > types of posts that I do not forget and that give alternative medicine > practioners a bad name. You are making an assumption as to why I might not reply to your posts after a point. I simply choose not to put more energy than necessary into what appears to me to be a non-productive use of my time and energy. I'm simply putting out that ozone therapy is a wonderful adjunct to health, just like colloidal silver is; and if people want to explore that based on my post, that's their choice. I have no investment one way or the other. I am aware of arguments pro and con for ozone, and have made my choice based on (1) people's successes, and (2) my own empirical evidence. My own experience is worth something to me. > I might also point out that I do not sell anything, no products, no > books, my consultations on this list are offered freely to all. I have > no axe to grind or sale to make. I am interested in full disclosure and > public access to truth. > > Garnet I have no axe to grind either. Again, if you are interested in learning more about ozone and why a "spin" has been put on it, you might consider joining Oxyplus or writing to Saul Pressman at Oxyplus. He also has a free book, The Story of Ozone, which he's happy to send to anyone who asks. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. 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