----- Original Message ----- From: "Garnet" <[email protected]> To: "Silver List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: Re: CS> Ozone
[Nenah] > > I know what poisonous means, Garnet. Ozone is not poisonous. [Garnet] > That is a totally irresponsible statement in light of the many studies > documenting injurious effects of pure ozone. [Nenah] Here we go again. You resonate with your sources and I resonate with mine. [Nenah] > > This is a spurious argument. If I spent my time getting substances assayed, I > > wouldn't be living. I am satisfied that the substances I'm using with ozone are > > pure. [Garnet] > That is an often used and very convenient evasion Nenah, but simply what > I expect of those in your position to make money by putting a > disinformation spin on their products. [Nenah] Garnet, you are of course free to misinterpret, misunderstand, malign, and judge me. Does it feel good to you to "win" an argument? A basic difference apparently between us is what each of us uses to assess our reality. I have a unique way of evaluating what works, as do you. I trust my intuition and am comfortable with whatever levels I use to evaluate my circumstances. I don't feel a need, for example, to have substances assayed (in this instance when we're talking about ozone). You believe in having substances assayed and it works for you. That's fine with me. I don't feel a need to put you down for it or judge you according to my own standards of what works for me. [Garnet] > It proves that the research you base your statements on is not supported > by a consensus of the world's experts. Are your references published in > peer reviewed journals? That is the difference between bona fide studies > and simple publications. The sources one chooses to follow speaks to the > quality and level of excellence and integrity one embodies. [Nenah] I am not going to play this "My sources are better than your sources" game, Garnet. Frankly, my experiences with ozone -- and its knowledgeable proponents -- are positive enough for me that I don't feel a need to concern myself with *who* you are citing or their credentials. Many people follow the FDA and its experts for instance, but that doesn't mean the FDA is right. [Garnet] > I have not disparged personal experience -- in fact I think it is quite > valuable. As I have stated about Ozone, but the fact remains that is is > risky and does have toxic effects. Not recognizing the limitations of a > therapy is irresponsible and indicates someone who can not be trusted to > have the best interest of their clients at heart. Profit and image are > the stock and trade of this type of practitioner. We find them in both > alternative and traditional medicine, indeed in many walks of life. [Nenah] Again, I agree with you that ozone needs to be used responsibly. Also, just for the record (I don't know if you know this), I am not a "practitioner." [Garnet] > BTW Nenah WHERE is your PHd from? Did it come from an accredited > university? Lack of an answer here is an answer. [Nenah] My lack of an answer means something in particular according to *you.* You are of course free to interpret my refusal to engage with you anymore according to any judgment of me that you wish to make. [Garnet] > I have learned all I need to know about ozone in the past 7 years I have > been actively reseraching its potential for treating degenerative > disease. My criteria are that something has to be number one safe, > affordable and available. You see Nenah most of the truly ill people in > the world have very little money, time, energy or expertise. I have been > on the Oxyplus List previously and did not find the information > credible, anecdotal information is not that useful for my purposes as > stated above. [Nenah] Perhaps others will find Oxyplus valuable. [Garnet] > Before Mike has a hissy fit I will direct further responses to the OT > list. See ya there unless you are simply too busy with more important > things than the safety of your clients and the interest of full > disclosure to participate in a real discussion. [Nenah] You are making value judgments and assumptions here about what if means if my interests lie elsewhere because I do not wish to continue this debate. Again, of course you are free to believe anything you like about me; you are perfectly free to choose to feel that I am not measuring up to what you think I should be. In truth, Garnet, I have not been on the OT list for at least two years (it might even be three); and I have no interest in revisiting that list now. Simply put, I don't have time for vitriolic, judgmental discussions where each side tries to prove that they are "right." That's not where I want to put my energies into right now. I wish you well. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. 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