You and Patrik either did not read what I wrote or don't understand it. I did not say he's not allowed to release his own copy. The fact is that he did not comply with the tiny little bit that he is legally forced to do. That disqualifies him completely in my eyes (even if he'd do so in the future.) Moreover, I said that it is ethical and reasonable to expect that he does not just do it behind the back. If people would only do exactly what they are strictly forced to do legally, I am sure society would break down (and we're already seeing that in practice, but that's a different issue.) Moreover, I did not say I would not allow anyone to distribute the app if it were properly acknowledge us (in fact, I did before.) But that's not relevant here, because he didn't.
Moreover, this developer is shortchanging his customers: he lets them pay money for something that has less value. For one, he does not provide any support, not even a link to himself (the "support" page is useless.) Christiaan On Jan 24, 2012, at 21:39, M A wrote: > I completely agree with Patrik on this. Yes, the software should be > pulled while it's in violation of the license. But, once this person > put's that copyright notice in it would be entirely hypocritical to > try and stop him/her from redistributing (even for money). This is, of > course, something that happens in open source at times, namely, > someone essentially forks a project (particularly a BSD one) and > doesn't meet the expectations of the original developers (e.g. not > releasing new code, charging money, etc). Really, I think the solution > is to release all future versions of Skim under a different license > which reflects the implicit wishes of those who are creating the code. > > Mark A > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Patrik Jonsson > <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Christiaan Hofman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> There's also a small matter of behavior. The fact that, strictly speaking, >>> you;re allowed to does not mean you should take advantage of that. There's >>> no cost in asking, and he didn't. Not even in the most minimal and legally >>> required way. Quite frankly, this freeloading behavior I find the most >>> upsetting, and if we can punish him for that maximally for this by removing >>> it from the App Store I support that. >> >> With all due respect, I think you have an unrealistic view of >> humanity. To many people, "the fact that strictly speaking you are >> allowed to" means exactly that: you are allowed to, and expecting >> otherwise will just cause you to get upset. >> >> Moreover, apart from the fact that he's violating the terms of the >> license by not retaining the copyright, I really fail to see what this >> is about. The Skim license allows redistribution, commercial or not, >> and one of the fundamental rights given to users of free software is >> the right do do whatever they want with it, within the terms of he >> license, *without asking for permission*. >> >> If you look in chapter 8 of RMS's "free software, free society" >> (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/fsfs/rms-essays.pdf) he says: >> >> "Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU project is that you >> should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that >> you should charge as little as possible—just enough to cover the cost. >> Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge >> as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please >> read on. >> The word “free” has two legitimate general meanings; it can refer >> either to freedom or to price. When we speak of “free software,” we’re >> talking about freedom, not price. Specifically, it means that a user is >> free to run the program, change the program, and redistribute the >> program with or without changes." >> >> It seems to me that this is *exactly* what he's talking about. >> >> cheers, >> >> /Patrik >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! >> The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers >> is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, >> Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d >> _______________________________________________ >> Skim-app-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d > _______________________________________________ > Skim-app-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d _______________________________________________ Skim-app-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
