Looks like they also ripped off this app:
http://paintbrush.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
In the App Store:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/instapaint/id494189331<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/instapaint/id494189331?mt=12>
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jack Reis <[email protected]> wrote:
> EDITED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE: Amen *to Peter Rich’s comments below*
>
> Also, I am a Marketing Projects Coordinator for a startup company and
> though we are not a software company I certainly would not mind being
> involved with some marketing of the Free, Legitimate version of the Skim
> software I know and love (it got me through my Philosophy major at UCSD
> with its simple but effective annotation features) and I greatly enjoy its
> TeX functionality. Don’t know how the remote control bit works but this is
> no spot for that kind of question. I’m sure - as our fearless leader
> Christiaan would say - 'it’s in the Wiki' ;)
>
> -Jack
> JackAReis [at] gmail [dot] com
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Peter Rich wrote:
>
> So, I've been a long-time Skim user and have experienced many ups and
> downs with the software, but I have to keep coming back to it as it has
> long been one of the best pdf annotation tools out there. Though I have
> found Christiaan's replies to often be somewhat put-offish, I have also
> found him to be an incredibly active developer and more than willing to
> respond to anyone's reply about the software. In light of the fact that he
> has done this for free, his dedication is commendable.
>
> The reason that so many of us find this "developer's" behavior to be
> despicable is that he clearly is trying to profit off of someone else's
> hard-earned work without so much as a nod to those who did the work. Their
> reason for making the software "free" is so that it can be the best
> software possible (that's my guess, anyhow), and anyone who wants to
> contribute to its progress may do so. When this developer can't be
> bothered to so much as change the graphic, it communicates that the
> evolution of the product is not what's on his mind. It then becomes
> incumbent upon us to warn anyone who would purchase such software that the
> developer has behaved unscrupulously. If I suspected a developer had done
> next to nothing with a product s/he is selling, I would run away quickly,
> as I would doubt any concerns or support needs would be met, should they
> arise in the future.
>
> I find Patrik's comments to be both enlightening and problematic. They
> are enlightening because it highlights that there are a lot of enterprising
> folks out there that don't believe there is a problem with such behavior if
> the law allows it. Surprisingly, these people often make what many see as
> "good" businessmen. This is problematic because it is exactly that
> attitude that leads to the decline of civilization. Some believe their
> morals need only go so far as what society deems to be ethical and puts
> into law. That is a dangerous attitude because it suggest that we need to
> depend on government to regulate all our rights and wrongs. Laws are
> clearly needed, as people's beliefs about what is right/wrong are going to
> differ, and we need a clear protocol for how to operate in and regulate
> society so people know what to expect and how to interact with each other.
> But if we go no further in our treatment of each other, society quickly
> degenerates into a "me-first" society. Laws are only needed to regulate
> people who refuse to regulate themselves. I tell this to my children all
> the time. If they cannot control their temper toward each other, someone
> else will have to control it for them—and that just introduces
> restrictions, the opposite of freedom.
>
> So, yes, Patrik, you are right; there are people who will take advantage
> of others. In my experience living in 4 different countries, though, I
> have seen entire societies that believe if you can take advantage of
> another and you don't, then you are a fool. Funny thing is, those are the
> societies that I never see progress. They end up in a constant cycle of
> corruption and the introduction of stricter laws and enforcement. Morality
> transcends laws and leads to greater freedom. Abuse of trust leads to more
> restrictions and slows progress.
>
> This is why I personally deplore this developer's actions. I am all for
> people being paid for their hard work. The Skim developers could use a
> good, business-minded PR-guy who can bring it to the fore. In my mind,
> though, Someone else mindlessly ripping off their product does little to
> benefit anyone but that developer.
>
> /soapbox
>
> -Peter-
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Patrik Jonsson <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Christiaan Hofman <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There's also a small matter of behavior. The fact that, strictly
>> speaking, you;re allowed to does not mean you should take advantage of
>> that. There's no cost in asking, and he didn't. Not even in the most
>> minimal and legally required way. Quite frankly, this freeloading behavior
>> I find the most upsetting, and if we can punish him for that maximally for
>> this by removing it from the App Store I support that.
>>
>> With all due respect, I think you have an unrealistic view of
>> humanity. To many people, "the fact that strictly speaking you are
>> allowed to" means exactly that: you are allowed to, and expecting
>> otherwise will just cause you to get upset.
>>
>> Moreover, apart from the fact that he's violating the terms of the
>> license by not retaining the copyright, I really fail to see what this
>> is about. The Skim license allows redistribution, commercial or not,
>> and one of the fundamental rights given to users of free software is
>> the right do do whatever they want with it, within the terms of he
>> license, *without asking for permission*.
>>
>> If you look in chapter 8 of RMS's "free software, free society"
>> (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/fsfs/rms-essays.pdf) he says:
>>
>> "Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU project is that you
>> should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that
>> you should charge as little as possible—just enough to cover the cost.
>> Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge
>> as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please
>> read on.
>> The word “free” has two legitimate general meanings; it can refer
>> either to freedom or to price. When we speak of “free software,” we’re
>> talking about freedom, not price. Specifically, it means that a user is
>> free to run the program, change the program, and redistribute the
>> program with or without changes."
>>
>> It seems to me that this is *exactly* what he's talking about.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> /Patrik
>>
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