Hi Adam, Thanks so much those points are really helpful to us and thanks again to give information in such an organized way!
Shuting From: Adam Sale <adamfs...@gmail.com<mailto:adamfs...@gmail.com>> Reply-To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2014 at 6:34 PM To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> Subject: Re: Need your opinion to improve Maya Outliner/ Attribute Editor Hi Shuting, echoing the sentiment of others, I really appreciate your approach to improving Maya based on the feedback of Softimage users. My main points re: the outliner and possible improvements based on Explorer and property pages. 1) Disconnect between multi ppg editing across the Maya. Channel box vs Attribute editor. 2) Filtering in the explorer allows me to manage my entire scene, in a single explorer or multiple instances of it, with locking, recycling, or recycle similar options. I can't do that with the channel box. I can with the attribute editor, but then lose the ability to multi edit. 3) Back to filtering, being able to see objects, params, groups, etc gives me a much easier way of looking at a complex scene on a number of different levels. 4) Explorer as a pass management system. 5) Filtering in the explorer based on Passes, Scene, Layers, 6) F3 pop up explorers are huge timesavers. 7) Drag and drop onto attributes, keying with a single click. On that note, RMB and having to choose key selected in Maya is highly inefficient. We should simply have to LMB on the attribute. RMB should be for secondary functions. 8) Being able to view an operator stack with D and D re-organization. I know Maya has the input shuffling feature, but its not a part of the Outliner, when it should be. 9) LMB node and MMb Branch Selection functionality. This is one of the most maddening things about Maya. 10) Color coding of node, branch and multi selection is very confusing. For example, I select the root joint of a chain of joints. They all turn green. I shift select the next joint down to multi select it with the first, now the first turns white and the rest green. So instead, turn off child selection highlighting. Now what happens is still kind of confusing. I select the first joint in the chain. It turn green, the res turn pink. I shift select the 2nd joint to add it to selection. The first joint turns white, the second green and the third pink. From a new users perspective, its even more bewildering. In Softimage, this is handled elegantly and simply. Never any confusion. Child selected object, white, If you shift select to add another object in multi select, it too turns white, the other bones remain their original colors. When you MMB or Tree select objects, the whole hierarchy turns white as you would expect. If Maya users are used to this behavior fine, but an option to switch this behavior would be so welcome. 10) Use of Model spaces to further organize a scene. My Maya scenes just don't seem as elegantly clean and organized as my Softimage scenes. The visual idea of a model node went a long way to helping me feel like I had my house in order. If Assets are supposed to be the equivalent of models, then they need to have a RMB option on them to Export the asset quickly instead of having to jump up to the top menu, or marking menu. Sets, should also be allowed to reside as children of an asset. 11) Explorer visualization of hierarchical connections. I have a hard time explaining this, and looking back and forth at the explorer / outliner, I think it may have something to do with the way the indented lines denoting the parent child relations extend all the way through to the icons in the explorer, whereas in Maya, there is a space between the icon and the connecting hierarchical line. It may not seem like much, but when looking at massive hierarchies, I just find it a major benefit in Softimage in being able to instantly understand the relationships between the various parts. 12) Ability to parent sets under models. Currently sets make the outliner incredibly messy down near the bottom. If we could pair sets with a model type node, this would clean things up even more. 13) Ability to show all attributes under an object. Thanks for the ear. Adam On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Simon Reeves <si...@simonreeves.com<mailto:si...@simonreeves.com>> wrote: I have context scripts so select object(s) right click a second and either 'parent to' or 'parent match' (sibling? :)) I find that very practical. On Friday, 28 November 2014, Grahame Fuller <grahame.ful...@autodesk.com<mailto:grahame.ful...@autodesk.com>> wrote: Or accidentally selecting "Copy Here" instead of "Create Shortcut Here"... gray From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andi Farhall Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 1:34 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Need your opinion to improve Maya Outliner/ Attribute Editor Never quite as bad as dragging the root of the server in windows somewhere by mistake ;-) ........................................................................... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/ https://vimeo.com/user4174293 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. ------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:03:33 -0500 From: flordli...@gmail.com<mailto:flordli...@gmail.com> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Need your opinion to improve Maya Outliner/ Attribute Editor No, I'm talking about the way Softimage does it. You can just drag and drop objects around to change the hierarchy. I would prefer if you had to press a key to be able to mess with the parenting by drag and drop. On 28-Nov-14 12:19, Peter Agg wrote: 'p' should do it, or are you after something else? On Fri Nov 28 2014 at 17:17:25 Francois Lord <flordli...@gmail.com<mailto:flordli...@gmail.com>> wrote: However, I would prefer to have a shortcut key pressed to be able to reparent things in the explorer. Right now, it's too easy to mess a hierarchy when selecting an object and slipping the mouse too much. You don't even realize you did it. On 26-Nov-14 05:39, adrian wyer wrote: Eric hit most of the salient points, however one thing i would add is selection modes it's massively intuitive and productive being able to select a hierarchy with middle click add to this the drag and drop features in the softimage explorer (for both parenting and copying materials/properties) and you can do a huge amount of work with minimal clicks a -- Simon Reeves London, UK si...@simonreeves.com<mailto:si...@simonreeves.com> www.simonreeves.com<http://www.simonreeves.com> www.analogstudio.co.uk<http://www.analogstudio.co.uk>
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