Thanks for the recommendations Jon, much appreciated. I'll go through Jordi's guides again and the cgwiki stuff, and then hopefully will feel like I know enough of the basics to make the more in-depth tutorials worthwhile. A maths refresher is a very good idea as well.
On 8 May 2018 at 14:32, Jonathan Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > MAT's are the way forward for Mantra, but SHOP's is still better with many > 3rd party renderers such as Redshift and Arnold. Redshift works with the > MATs contexts but it's can get tricky with more complex projects. There are > even shops like Animal Logic that have stayed with SHOP's for the time > being as there are issues that affect their particular pipeline. On that > basis I don't consider it a bad thing to use this time to learn MATs but > still use SHOPs in production. It's highly likely that H17 will push the > MATs workflow forward in new directions, so getting a handle on it now will > be time well spent. > > In terms of up to date learning materials, all of the > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.appliedhoudini.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=5RCgxPM_V_kDNNWF9POYMy3RrKI3g1u_X7lBACXwo0o&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzI-2D2F9k-2D2BWBXKW27XRR1WxPwQU0cWfGn8-2D2FecMK0KzasHXsOxC5kVNt7nEifguYIVjpYp3aPrb4ZKZadlWdrvCbO57Bl4yVBYG2J4V4MTbCNjmPbZ2NOsJb60sLKi7dwko3s9Llbo-2D2FiVgdarxrIAaMWsciH-2D2Fo-2D2B-2D2Bkg5srNILDIAAsBBoAE92Kh44RFHv3gpRzSCInJg4L6AgbMJIZvZJBpwh-2D2Fg0vIjCkdeY7ZEBEbaG8EE-2D2FrlpTka0Sb4lM9ca5hlKw4dlfQBsnEYwKfDT2MqAp-2D2FrU1so0LbBe2ccoiskcJUwgClPQSAtRlViEtjkjAQp3mndd-5FY6KrJzx8OFwaDUmyTB0FglSpYb9k-2D2BXgzzfgiL-2D2FDUr0Pur64XlxLS-2D2Ba3BmLNuqEASB8b-2D2FUynrrnZrumYhzHK4Zk6BBjPOMdfkvqoxbDf260IVSS08vrxr9DiwM-2D2FmTCwEvPyjn7tSK8qMOh2GrJ02QrsHXGIK6YwuZI5uzD67iMTIv9cMP6Bgs-2D2Bwr5zdr3Q-2D2BhAr6jrh-2D2FtxFPP07TPWf6Q6vCpkns8VVFPbd1CRBrVnXpU-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=2wjaujw302bHxpTtm1c_XvXlT2EudRA2CEO6LNB_AOQ&e=> > stuff is bang on the money, and Steven Knipping is amongst the best in > terms of teaching the why as well as the how. His prices are very > reasonable considering the quality of the training. > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__rebelway.net_&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=OxAzOLQnljJI773gWlOm1uL6Jrb4LtpAjyE6UxGSUgw&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzWGfXlfGrTCpQXe6LBW6A2Ab0b9VqNCXsxX5UG9dABksMFtveIMXUcy-2D2FCiUZ2rma30ud8Pzkj6eP1KuH1xAF-2D2BUPHEvL0EJrZ4uooY21dxHlfBGAjrGiuTcpGJJyZyQohojHnTyuJFId8caLy-2D2FMAeV3og5EsbJHG2BagvHezUY5XVky9C8soDVigsElwG95VpPx9TwdXGt9ytYAC6aH6qZrPsYYlfr-2D2Fw5lloc9CYXPsSz8SptqWYUvw5JhdrnwhMIGpfv84MuHeXwT9bsarKyugJG-2D2FHxqkHCvc5EYKrzg7iz0-2D3D-5FY6KrJzx8OFwaDUmyTB0FglSpYb9k-2D2BXgzzfgiL-2D2FDUr0Pur64XlxLS-2D2Ba3BmLNuqEASVxGgkg-2D2FiIgWRg7xWTKE3ERG7pvkglbJ5UeCg6hmjdaizlOaxUJGlbqXTdycyvRYwalOvJ2Kv9uPUtpL6etET0vO4iWtRqRp-2D2FieQGYT8S8Om6dIFEe8nHJfwFmUqarfOcQbnHLaQeJH8G8SXaIkcdhxQ-2D2BgaBqbFjjwuk26wkoh70-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=pFNElTSGqeBVOllu4QsaNGcbPdPIsuVObbT3aRy2buc&e=> > is another very good option. It's more expensive than the Applied Houdini > stuff as it's involves weekly mentoring and feedback. Having said it's > expensive, they have a couple of reasonably priced foundation courses > starting in June. Saber & Igor really know their onions and have been > training professionally onsite for a number of years so I think the prices > are reasonable for the calabre of the training. > > Adam Swaab has a range of training products on the market that're very > reasonably priced but Adam's stuff is very much entry level. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__helloluxx.com_product_houdini-2Djumpstart-2Dbundle-2Dadam-2Dswaab_&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=2dgyJGjAVRKg_0h_eho2UZrEOlcd_2UWrWQ0DZiY76Q&e= > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2Mtqz9dbKRxQbv9bVQCOvK7kwwtQS2e2gHio2Q1N71KiIRm6dSmYQmPATveZ9oGvc-2Bzlztr1iRCZN5GQ-2BJ-2FOUKSIgdEUTexLIVdYbdOIf-2BgWmMHf4khJ49UXklYe9yxacFjf58JTp7okerUIXg6D0tq7awNoOSsV43HOSJNwHuimMvw-2F-2FzfITH0s-2BfOoTZEnusvxNqR5dZTpYW4JTBUrt94uJNkNvzj3fDTyUyzFN4em5-2BmfZ4zpc-2F2sOoeF52q2zu0X466Yp23j-2BmLV3ZDCDUBHsYeaJghYCSSF66RAQoiNjMxHCu0wfsazkNJIzleLt-2FVyDwV00AXScGyzG2GZFlNHL2s-2BxdwFwQunP6OYJeVcIAt-2BIrf0juhAo-2Fyp9LqB9QzL6_Y6KrJzx8OFwaDUmyTB0FglSpYb9k-2BXgzzfgiL-2FDUr0Pur64XlxLS-2Ba3BmLNuqEASJ8CVekGM9j3D-2FDCaSFDmb9Wu7R3l-2B3y5h2gxKarEZU8Y5FY5Kf0sjtlnJbEvwzY7qyXqqNXZBlkDhOtV1Y29Ysb-2F3R7ytNgGT4xhxf7Fs0TYEJjsonTHKcTSAfyM40BD1bYASAOcQ9VzBthxVP5yDTxxJHSzRK9mtWqYm6l5x9E-3D> > is his most basic stuff (the first few volumes are a little dated but it's > still useful content). The > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.learnsquared.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=yL8qukzPZ6GY9NRlXSsXDGoGHh2HVQnH9IWZAGvFMk4&e= > courses/houdini-particles > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2Mtqzzv1mWEUkVJoyJm6R8MtWg58jzmSg0T0bZVBKpgmoDUVreySI46O5ZWT6HRs55WHSylDekQMpYDXTVbCfYqO2r3-2BdXj0lVV3nco5zZMLdn6ZPv7xYa3tduQAH8CL3orcjKuCMAbaKWDYYL5HFzsDeRaMyXlVV3V35KqMQlD1HEcSTLgMXsj2VUH3chWH5UXbXBeVB7yD7M0CyTHjbX-2F2Ro4jXKBJ4l19Tt7OrIbA5svockznN-2FOl68-2FayPwiHqEuAJgkoM5vRzr0ZIi3FPiCi117sK62usc8AjAHs-2BAv8vw3enQ1uDeblJEirwcUrKnuyVD6lp4dVKIH2PANVC1-2FiV369x0ZO-2BXB67MQsc8DPBDM-3D_Y6KrJzx8OFwaDUmyTB0FglSpYb9k-2BXgzzfgiL-2FDUr0Pur64XlxLS-2Ba3BmLNuqEASF7B3oTiKodt5sGNnLgoxs5h9mgXpSmqtQY-2FS1gmM1lU8b6qdGEzs97SbPIS-2Bd0Xpio3dUGoYvINdRpWnok7YPsAJrmFk08D0Q-2Fe9jNfX3StbNBKelmRFt6IdqdbLhU0S-2BpiHZsY7qz8R-2FWGzxRagmu4Wx2eoEkIJXYXaRBRPxuo-3D> > content is a more contemporary and notches up to fairly advaced content > (I've linked to his more advanced particles course, but he has foundation > content too). Unfortunately his most advanced course is already fully > booked, but it's worth keeping an eye on all the CGSociety courses as > they're run in a similar manner to the Rebelway stuff- > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cgsociety.org_training_course_abstract-2Deffects-2Din-2Dhoudini&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=CcAxgSzJTQNbVkxGnhqvDPj9MKXLduJC9XbmY-vNzHo&e= > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzI-2F9k-2BWBXKW27XRR1WxPwQSxbbRPuCpfg2lgfGSeLKAYsr-2BEjL-2BY4kARwctA8-2F447HzNA2n1668Pm3SlkfO5G4I-2FniL3XMRTJSU8UImirdcLs-2B0oCEXejZ8nogkQQnf1jzgLEmwXvDhNEc2w-2BIzflCnrspkPP4ufuvwH7dSfcZU4kSknKIE1SSmqaltDfgQ2vbeVaooKEZwXailxf5iTz155cJGA37kGgeinVbqYMRj8EqfZkpyZSaQkTkrWK8di9xl20JHUn2Z3I-2BnErG966IvjemT0CQ0sY0v04OCZhVxEpK7-2F2sGzEpW0ge-2Ba7epOOSvhwN-2F7Ys3PDXQ1IclrDNClVaEAuGR-2F8NCIuOxE9ppuEGdsUwNAcfsL-2F9DnyPykT_Y6KrJzx8OFwaDUmyTB0FglSpYb9k-2BXgzzfgiL-2FDUr0Pur64XlxLS-2Ba3BmLNuqEASWDFnPwL0nAoboJ1IKFrjJp-2BSnIXMa1qvqJhhmwBidTDrPr3cJGMPjns1dbpc1Z4abkL7EwTsYHgpIbTNAuM-2FSyevw5yPQSFG1EvJX3zPIRVCuBUJGaMkKQohHizlH721JRR93H-2BMVtrpgQNYOLBlMnnYHU-2FxfkQA7uZ5m0yXe2M-3D> > . > > As much as there's a ton of great free training out there and SideFX have > been exemplary in the manner that they categorise and filter all this > training content on their website. The paid stuff I've linked to here is in > a different league to the typical Lynda and Pluralsight content. You'll > find more advanced subject matter at entagma.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzifzizOENJY4sRy7FQgkv6Qnv3N5sCvPHrSevho0e2k5ICYGNkU-2D2BaMCI-2D2BjnIG8BdEg-2D2Bm6QpjaIl5tamenjDIcnBj7fbemYrXALnK02qtKs0hfXeq-2D2FyEafBi9JMxJnQm1NO8wt4PtGZHtc5Jj-2D2BYNHvPGykQcdq2olDwkB6PGT-2D2F3J1vnnSIhLd0b-2D2F2ujoUfWkWmNWHYrA43n1vh41UDP1p-2D2FdenkxniqQ-2D2BGCEUQqWOUUbI6rnnCGk-2D2BpWWfkNAQwE-2D2Ft4ij-2D2BnZq5A3ItrT5XqdCCeY4aDLILQppPbkuoidhvNg6bQ-2D3D-5FY6KrJzx8OFwaDUmyTB0FglSpYb9k-2D2BXgzzfgiL-2D2FDUr0Pur64XlxLS-2D2Ba3BmLNuqEASyHohSL8DzAhWaK5fa0bntP8DTCsVOIduD7-2D2Bq4y7s75q-2D2F3w-2D2Fh4aiai6Hszjp7QOnecicNOFgpZl-2D2FTRajZgR4c5776oOcRsSirXCL2qgadr-2D2BIbJokbVY-2D2B1UFjkTVuE-2D2BdZeLAdUmL4y-2D2BPmXopsBMqIGCaHsPpabcc3wZZtuRIqhIME-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=Mj89nlqlM88R_39-1OgjhFLhA-0OFIpVsK5LgEPlU0w&e=> > but the good paid stuff is better structured for the needs of typical > production projects. > > Having rubbised Pluralsigt, there's one course that's worth taking if pick > up one of those 3 months free offers that're floating around (by signing up > for a free Visual Studio account here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__my.visualstudio.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=KZLefEd_J-Y4IXDC-orFUqyV91LqvYmMrnmLqSfOVds&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzZ-2D2FA8HlGfA1PEMnhGwoNhpFR4lqV10KXHKJQD257u2bG-2D2B1zFbcoiR9dGGE8roJS9RxyuSv4OJeNllDMpH2XSEzbXZdL85nfaaIIUSsOn4vISh5gtH4HMmCXiiAxskHg8FzvYC10Cw9C3yPs8etsXxYZshIBklJrF40WigfCew7nJBpZ95c5-2D2FziDzzEBACXOxE-2D2B-2D2FUqi66JN-2D2BonJ2deGeNe-2D2Fsn7BGPx5trkpV27kSf2nAdM6G-2D2BLK36uTMP1Om9jciT9jL-2D2FumQycucnmZYXjgSaSuWlGvz41u7b-2D2B-2D2FLBbpD7yiadjcJYyo7jmxtgTdjTgCk5N-5FY6KrJzx8OFwaDUmyTB0FglSpYb9k-2D2BXgzzfgiL-2D2FDUr0Pur64XlxLS-2D2Ba3BmLNuqEASkKDKDkUr-2D2F8A9QctxkYTB2HuR-2D2FBA47l-2D2Fu3xo-2D2B8mrQpWl1FFciXVLsTg2WT5OmaTmXqTYwKmn09P9n67hMmt3K6vACbxrljaRgOdTvQ8FAKD8tefYr68EtUWrm4KQjM6P4GOrFYIEkAx7XsK1S6RtqiWaGtxxHeXDoK8n0tb8-2D2F-2D2BMw-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=e7CDKUAkmtWZJEnJR4NtNpmeA5D_QBsQ-NfCS40wcfo&e=> > ) - > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.pluralsight.com_courses_houdini-2Dpractical-2Dmath-2Dtips&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=3c8oH-MxSK7dl4YnG4Rluo7px31Aza9m7IWfWa-R_0M&s=YhBW0aHquC4Hj5ZSPmNO4apmUky10UYnThZx9_vhSIk&e= > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2Mtqzzv1mWEUkVJoyJm6R8MtWg3RrjTRRVc6bePv-2BIiN-2BTplgws2HEv9jm-2BOqQ-2FQOkqy3D4IDFbtEvLZZBeAy9vGhs-2F8ngBthl3WljfZIELzSvWKg8mRuJvVY9tzKddQzu1X-2FN3J4YWDqIsAIPGMZhfQ-2BzEsgZ3sxgGhTYdD4PHxjgMvm6fKqmWAJoE1rev1G7wCFnp-2BjznueFHGC3yMlyh2-2FUs842qY-2BRTwvvsImtdtZV7AyG87-2BaB-2FggDAig2SZvyHIaHIjyCZMH5UqRqFGeQZ4TWcnf4N0choDRsG69eByGtUWGSp-2Fvz7j99rCBxw4yfXHGFOsNIHzUrMSXo6PCsA23X48EfwmaqYhMh25Vmj6arw-3D_Y6KrJzx8OFwaDUmyTB0FglSpYb9k-2BXgzzfgiL-2FDUr0Pur64XlxLS-2Ba3BmLNuqEASHMoD2UrQQEe0al9ms0v4W2PiZ0IaidlWXCPGys-2F5kKaglRidAjrTpuy9-2BEd6frwJaSDEtIR3oqD7KnxLCJqQg03Hh48H8RbdfZ78KrJS-2FLGbbVI5SDVGB-2BEM5uKB5yFYKmba2ygtroUZkFMSvzlMwj0an7mq42Qbjy1zDpXwhkA-3D> > -. Even if you already have a good handle on pertinent math subjects from > working with ICE, this course is great for learning how to apply that > knowledge in Houdini. And a refresher on pertinent vector, trig and algebra > is never a bad thing. :) > > > > On 8 May 2018 at 10:35, Jordi Bares <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 8 May 2018, at 08:34, Matt Morris <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'd certainly be down for that too :) >> >> Hacked my way through Houdini for a volume job recently and while there's >> a wealth of information out there its sometimes difficult to know the >> optimal way to achieve something, and find up to date solutions for the mat >> context instead of shops for example. Ended up back in xsi for some >> particle behaviours as there are so many compounds I miss for randomization >> etc. >> >> >> "Optimal way" is an elusive thing.. I keep learning new approaches for >> things I learned and now are kind of lame… (for example the constant adding >> colours to apply effects and then rename them or worse, remove the color >> afterwards… I do it now via attributes and visualisers and it is a lot more >> elegant) >> >> And yes, I am not using SHOPs anymore (unless I am using Arnold)… MATs is >> the way forward and quite exciting when you realise what is in front of you. >> >> Anyway, it is something of an ever evolving task… >> >> Jb >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8 May 2018 at 08:25, Morten Bartholdy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Jordi. Well, like I said – I will have to dive in to Houdini at >>> some point I guess :) >>> >>> I would love a Soft2Houdini crash course :) >>> >>> MB >>> >>> Den 4. maj 2018 klokken 20:22 skrev Jordi Bares <[email protected]>: >>> >>> For the sake of sharing my experiences… >>> >>> On 4 May 2018, at 14:24, Morten Bartholdy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Pardon me for intruding, but I have to agree with Jonathan here. >>> >>> It used to be that developers worked to make better tools and make them >>> more accessible to the average artist (and I am not talking about Kais >>> Powertools ;), but that path seems to have been abandoned in the pursuit of >>> better and more advanced tools, and letting it up to the users to get a >>> degree in rocket science to be able to wield said tools at all >>> >>> Tools are getting easier (just look at the new hair system in 16.5 vs >>> 16.0 or the new MAT context in order to blend BRDFs properly), complex >>> things are simply complex (DOPs for example) and you can’t simplify certain >>> things without loosing the whole point or it will take a lot to get there >>> (for example custom controls with DOPs records and others) >>> >>> Houdini is probably the best example of this. I know a lot of effort has >>> gone in to making it more accessible, but to my knowledge it still requires >>> a fair amount of insight into expression syntax and scripting plus more >>> than basic math end vector knowhow to get even simple things done. >>> >>> The fact you can add expressions in your fields (something you can’t do >>> in softimage) means you don’t need to script as much… so arguably you can >>> choose between learning simple expressions or learning to program. >>> >>> Both require a certain level of simple maths involving trigonometry, >>> vectors and matrices. >>> >>> I understand your position (stated in earlier threads) that the >>> increased demands on production requires more complex solutions/tools, >>> >>> I would say sophisticated rather than complex… for example packed >>> primitives allow you to do things that are truly mind-bending in >>> combination with Material Style Sheets, but that does not mean they are >>> difficult of full of moving parts. >>> >>> but I don't buy the premise that it also has(!) to become more difficult >>> to use. >>> >>> I don’t think that either.. a good example of sophisticated tools in >>> Houdini 16 and 16.5 that are a pleasure to work are the new terrain tools… >>> but it is also true that unfortunately some problems are complex no matter >>> what. >>> >>> Good UI devs could alleviate that and make even really complex stuff >>> accessible to the least technical artist in the room if ressources were >>> made available, ie the management and dev team leads concur it would be a >>> good idea. I am going out on a limb and guessing it might often come down >>> to this – spend ressources on making the tool more accessible or spend them >>> on making more and better tools… In reality I think in all fairness they >>> try and balance it while keeping a keen eye on their userbase and potential >>> for increasing it. >>> >>> With the UI and UX there is a major point Jeff Wagner explained to me >>> long time ago… Houdini is non-linear (branches splitting and mixing again) >>> so many things there can be easily put on a linear system (like Softimage) >>> are not possible in Houdini and therefore we have to accept certain >>> limitations. Exactly the same than ICE, you don’t have many tools making >>> your live eraser in terms of workflow inside ICE, you need to know what you >>> are doing. >>> >>> But it is true also that Softimage vision of ICE is a lot neater, easier >>> and element in terms of packaging functionality in ICE… A LOT BETTER IN >>> FACT. >>> >>> What remains is that people like me find Houdini way too technical for >>> practical use (the steep learning curve) and as such I have not delved into >>> it for real yet. >>> >>> May be that is what makes you feel it is complex… >>> >>> I will for sure, because I think it is probably the only major 3D DCC >>> which is really evolving and making groundbreaking tools available to the >>> users, so it will very likely inherit the world, but for me, and probably >>> many others, as Jonathan probably indicates, it would do so much faster if >>> it was made even easier to use :) >>> >>> Agreed, there are many things that should be a lot easier because you do >>> them all the time (like path deform for example, or layering animation, or >>> having a shape manager and others) but don’t be mistaken, it is not >>> difficult at all until you need to dive in certain areas. >>> >>> And that would mean I would get to spend less time in Maya which >>> honestly makes me short of breath to the point of needing to vomit, almost >>> every day. >>> >>> Well, then I can guarantee you you will age slower. ;-) >>> >>> Peace and have a great weekend. jb >>> >>> PS. I am thinking… would it be of interest for you guys if I talk to >>> SideFX to organise a crash course in Houdini for Softimage users? May be >>> replicating one of the old XSI tutorials live in Houdini??? I still love >>> those tutorials… remember the carnivore plant? >>> >>> Just my two kr (the coin we use here) >>> >>> Have a nice weekend all – Morten >>> >>> Den 3. maj 2018 klokken 19:17 skrev Jordi Bares <[email protected]>: >>> >>> And by my judgement, Houdini is no closer to being a generalist >>> replacement for Softimage. >>> >>> This is what I would love to understand if you don’t mind… >>> >>> jb >>> >>> ------ Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mail to >>> [email protected] with “unsubscribe” in the >>> subject, and reply to confirm. >>> >>> ------ Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mail to >>> [email protected] with “unsubscribe” in the >>> subject, and reply to confirm. >>> >>> ------ Softimage Mailing List. 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