I'm so interested in getting to know a SI-HU crossover course.
On Tue, May 8, 2018, 08:32 Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com> wrote: > MAT's are the way forward for Mantra, but SHOP's is still better with many > 3rd party renderers such as Redshift and Arnold. Redshift works with the > MATs contexts but it's can get tricky with more complex projects. There are > even shops like Animal Logic that have stayed with SHOP's for the time > being as there are issues that affect their particular pipeline. On that > basis I don't consider it a bad thing to use this time to learn MATs but > still use SHOPs in production. It's highly likely that H17 will push the > MATs workflow forward in new directions, so getting a handle on it now will > be time well spent. > > In terms of up to date learning materials, all of the > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.appliedhoudini.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=bl0IjR8x_0MWV72gAMAbjVrnObsgxd2vI68A19QdLRo&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzI-2D2F9k-2D2BWBXKW27XRR1WxPwQU0cWfGn8-2D2FecMK0KzasHXsOxC5kVNt7nEifguYIVjpYp3aPrb4ZKZadlWdrvCbO57Bl4yVBYG2J4V4MTbCNjmPbZ2NOsJb60sLKi7dwko3s9Llbo-2D2FiVgdarxrIAaMWsciH-2D2Fo-2D2B-2D2Bkg5srNILDIAAsBBoAE92Kh44RFHv3gpRzSCInJg4L6AgbMJIZvZJBpwh-2D2Fg0vIjCkdeY7ZEBEbaG8EE-2D2FrlpTka0Sb4lM9ca5hlKw4dlfQBsnEYwKfDT2MqAp-2D2FrU1so0LbBe2ccoiskcJUwgClPQSAtRlViEtjkjAQp3mndd-5F-2D2BtVAaJM6-2D2Fj13TYl4Nc9UQgzbnVdLVqocIhreA-2D2Bt331nluqTyVArMZIhoUfATDA3AMLJ7Pu9Af4BfipHJkRJBCDun0RTGOEUv4OIs1Rgb8ftv8zgHEr-2D2BgWeOVRv-2D2FTxJdnOW-2D2B9L4iH0JxSkrbpGZx3yaFwJiu9HHZWkN1lBq0kmK8pZ08JFbq-2D2FV7S1hvjvKnpfCBf3QQSn3Lu-2D2B-2D2FThPmGCD41sk5JJrDtzxbKGXOgno9wQ-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=W9Q0NL3xTUY7Noo0JTSBGL3hioIXaiC335eKyHsTBTE&e=> > stuff is bang on the money, and Steven Knipping is amongst the best in > terms of teaching the why as well as the how. His prices are very > reasonable considering the quality of the training. > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__rebelway.net_&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=MHYVPBOCrYG0eeePscDUywd5zKODIJ_21XzuQuAQf-I&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzWGfXlfGrTCpQXe6LBW6A2Ab0b9VqNCXsxX5UG9dABksMFtveIMXUcy-2D2FCiUZ2rma30ud8Pzkj6eP1KuH1xAF-2D2BUPHEvL0EJrZ4uooY21dxHlfBGAjrGiuTcpGJJyZyQohojHnTyuJFId8caLy-2D2FMAeV3og5EsbJHG2BagvHezUY5XVky9C8soDVigsElwG95VpPx9TwdXGt9ytYAC6aH6qZrPsYYlfr-2D2Fw5lloc9CYXPsSz8SptqWYUvw5JhdrnwhMIGpfv84MuHeXwT9bsarKyugJG-2D2FHxqkHCvc5EYKrzg7iz0-2D3D-5F-2D2BtVAaJM6-2D2Fj13TYl4Nc9UQgzbnVdLVqocIhreA-2D2Bt331nluqTyVArMZIhoUfATDA3AMLJ7Pu9Af4BfipHJkRJBCLy2pk06BtHjoVdoNV50M6JcD57d39-2D2BmrMPVnCZexK-2D2F6QXIpnrZcmrX6w3LljggeprE2F7Q-2D2BaHzdkXEe2a6xoDvXtsoA4OtWxXvv-2D2Fo-2D2FdKm61GmQd642pO6YtiHHhvpwDDFWCCJ79xiYFzpWHEYJDH2Q-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=M6Ngva8YB4pacYM6BGTJa317J3v1gMREWGTD6XmItnw&e=> > is another very good option. It's more expensive than the Applied Houdini > stuff as it's involves weekly mentoring and feedback. Having said it's > expensive, they have a couple of reasonably priced foundation courses > starting in June. Saber & Igor really know their onions and have been > training professionally onsite for a number of years so I think the prices > are reasonable for the calabre of the training. > > Adam Swaab has a range of training products on the market that're very > reasonably priced but Adam's stuff is very much entry level. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__helloluxx.com_product_houdini-2Djumpstart-2Dbundle-2Dadam-2Dswaab_&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=OUpGD5A1jT015zxGVD-KkU0JZ-UI5Mft5h1XaYbLyKQ&e= > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2Mtqz9dbKRxQbv9bVQCOvK7kwwtQS2e2gHio2Q1N71KiIRm6dSmYQmPATveZ9oGvc-2Bzlztr1iRCZN5GQ-2BJ-2FOUKSIgdEUTexLIVdYbdOIf-2BgWmMHf4khJ49UXklYe9yxacFjf58JTp7okerUIXg6D0tq7awNoOSsV43HOSJNwHuimMvw-2F-2FzfITH0s-2BfOoTZEnusvxNqR5dZTpYW4JTBUrt94uJNkNvzj3fDTyUyzFN4em5-2BmfZ4zpc-2F2sOoeF52q2zu0X466Yp23j-2BmLV3ZDCDUBHsYeaJghYCSSF66RAQoiNjMxHCu0wfsazkNJIzleLt-2FVyDwV00AXScGyzG2GZFlNHL2s-2BxdwFwQunP6OYJeVcIAt-2BIrf0juhAo-2Fyp9LqB9QzL6_-2BtVAaJM6-2Fj13TYl4Nc9UQgzbnVdLVqocIhreA-2Bt331nluqTyVArMZIhoUfATDA3AMLJ7Pu9Af4BfipHJkRJBCJjNhPQilpqw3f5DD4LnxbFlRcWyiYVC9sYU2ZWfKCg0EVN1IgFfJorPwtG17ChUkOKY2Szpy3l6f7tw2jEwZLqAU3MCMg1OPedBRYKYERwUn5CGEolTci7PEZS0v9e53AaiSMDFV2WJe9ue6wfDliI-3D> > is his most basic stuff (the first few volumes are a little dated but it's > still useful content). The > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.learnsquared.com_courses_houdini-2Dparticles&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=Bg-idT-2RiD2IDgxGhHBVere4Yj-nrOZIv_QJkmhnzs&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2Mtqzzv1mWEUkVJoyJm6R8MtWg58jzmSg0T0bZVBKpgmoDUVreySI46O5ZWT6HRs55WHSylDekQMpYDXTVbCfYqO2r3-2D2BdXj0lVV3nco5zZMLdn6ZPv7xYa3tduQAH8CL3orcjKuCMAbaKWDYYL5HFzsDeRaMyXlVV3V35KqMQlD1HEcSTLgMXsj2VUH3chWH5UXbXBeVB7yD7M0CyTHjbX-2D2F2Ro4jXKBJ4l19Tt7OrIbA5svockznN-2D2FOl68-2D2FayPwiHqEuAJgkoM5vRzr0ZIi3FPiCi117sK62usc8AjAHs-2D2BAv8vw3enQ1uDeblJEirwcUrKnuyVD6lp4dVKIH2PANVC1-2D2FiV369x0ZO-2D2BXB67MQsc8DPBDM-2D3D-5F-2D2BtVAaJM6-2D2Fj13TYl4Nc9UQgzbnVdLVqocIhreA-2D2Bt331nluqTyVArMZIhoUfATDA3AMLJ7Pu9Af4BfipHJkRJBCPV3CQSgjx7dhRpYyVGH9BnI-2D2F46CEvvVYzWQ8pqNF7fRn8Pu9tqqBI6sEvdi88Jk1-2D2B1IY1txkAU376IjJvL0v9dmvNAP6BCSaGcUS1FPKlEXA9a0yUIUjCKDD3Diwj9diciJrjAFjseAHU5mgEKsJMI-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=zgEEE1VvPLAnXJptyIn8tk-cfjfYTnhvGSi5r1xE1Xg&e=> > content is a more contemporary and notches up to fairly advaced content > (I've linked to his more advanced particles course, but he has foundation > content too). Unfortunately his most advanced course is already fully > booked, but it's worth keeping an eye on all the CGSociety courses as > they're run in a similar manner to the Rebelway stuff- > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cgsociety.org_training_course_abstract-2Deffects-2Din-2Dhoudini&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=vCwUHI7V_NC4qNzeq2m9WoEg8B6-_EwHbVgxC1_9NMo&e= > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzI-2F9k-2BWBXKW27XRR1WxPwQSxbbRPuCpfg2lgfGSeLKAYsr-2BEjL-2BY4kARwctA8-2F447HzNA2n1668Pm3SlkfO5G4I-2FniL3XMRTJSU8UImirdcLs-2B0oCEXejZ8nogkQQnf1jzgLEmwXvDhNEc2w-2BIzflCnrspkPP4ufuvwH7dSfcZU4kSknKIE1SSmqaltDfgQ2vbeVaooKEZwXailxf5iTz155cJGA37kGgeinVbqYMRj8EqfZkpyZSaQkTkrWK8di9xl20JHUn2Z3I-2BnErG966IvjemT0CQ0sY0v04OCZhVxEpK7-2F2sGzEpW0ge-2Ba7epOOSvhwN-2F7Ys3PDXQ1IclrDNClVaEAuGR-2F8NCIuOxE9ppuEGdsUwNAcfsL-2F9DnyPykT_-2BtVAaJM6-2Fj13TYl4Nc9UQgzbnVdLVqocIhreA-2Bt331nluqTyVArMZIhoUfATDA3AMLJ7Pu9Af4BfipHJkRJBCJePyxnnw39jpDS9xM6ejEOthKYmjRg8gzahjx3AtdNuVH7MYyiBWyZANpReNAX3CP-2BrjnGYGPJF8C7SBQRd3viHq0JAlLZyfbd3A0WjKNUFXyVuHGjyDgxH5z1W42y1AeDTUA8uXo6UAIwyR2-2BfU64-3D> > . > > As much as there's a ton of great free training out there and SideFX have > been exemplary in the manner that they categorise and filter all this > training content on their website. The paid stuff I've linked to here is in > a different league to the typical Lynda and Pluralsight content. You'll > find more advanced subject matter at entagma.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzifzizOENJY4sRy7FQgkv6Qnv3N5sCvPHrSevho0e2k5ICYGNkU-2D2BaMCI-2D2BjnIG8BdEg-2D2Bm6QpjaIl5tamenjDIcnBj7fbemYrXALnK02qtKs0hfXeq-2D2FyEafBi9JMxJnQm1NO8wt4PtGZHtc5Jj-2D2BYNHvPGykQcdq2olDwkB6PGT-2D2F3J1vnnSIhLd0b-2D2F2ujoUfWkWmNWHYrA43n1vh41UDP1p-2D2FdenkxniqQ-2D2BGCEUQqWOUUbI6rnnCGk-2D2BpWWfkNAQwE-2D2Ft4ij-2D2BnZq5A3ItrT5XqdCCeY4aDLILQppPbkuoidhvNg6bQ-2D3D-5F-2D2BtVAaJM6-2D2Fj13TYl4Nc9UQgzbnVdLVqocIhreA-2D2Bt331nluqTyVArMZIhoUfATDA3AMLJ7Pu9Af4BfipHJkRJBCP4DTYaIVy3TrqOwL-2D2FloAtH3VjybpsIduZfrok3p6K70PZ34LM0xfyTT4QRYNKnp42gdcaiTM-2D2FSQziXbsqqUqxy6Fzl9bbPZm7sWIZaCg3wvbRpiFCPtjs-2D2FjZgue8i-2D2FIB6DTevNDmBITgWHGsmCmBYw-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=EJs9Dz8Ita7GHRN2K4DIjMrTfY1JmmlivCe-I5OttD8&e=> > but the good paid stuff is better structured for the needs of typical > production projects. > > Having rubbised Pluralsigt, there's one course that's worth taking if pick > up one of those 3 months free offers that're floating around (by signing up > for a free Visual Studio account here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__my.visualstudio.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=9Vxc3UK_qyVOFUEFYP1eMIpmX024jGdj40wRyzPoacs&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzZ-2D2FA8HlGfA1PEMnhGwoNhpFR4lqV10KXHKJQD257u2bG-2D2B1zFbcoiR9dGGE8roJS9RxyuSv4OJeNllDMpH2XSEzbXZdL85nfaaIIUSsOn4vISh5gtH4HMmCXiiAxskHg8FzvYC10Cw9C3yPs8etsXxYZshIBklJrF40WigfCew7nJBpZ95c5-2D2FziDzzEBACXOxE-2D2B-2D2FUqi66JN-2D2BonJ2deGeNe-2D2Fsn7BGPx5trkpV27kSf2nAdM6G-2D2BLK36uTMP1Om9jciT9jL-2D2FumQycucnmZYXjgSaSuWlGvz41u7b-2D2B-2D2FLBbpD7yiadjcJYyo7jmxtgTdjTgCk5N-5F-2D2BtVAaJM6-2D2Fj13TYl4Nc9UQgzbnVdLVqocIhreA-2D2Bt331nluqTyVArMZIhoUfATDA3AMLJ7Pu9Af4BfipHJkRJBCGyRDYQiTO0ProP3aNohXLz5pZNBMkUaJcjYsfAbPhDLxok0RTLzxc0xsvOrAgRRmtXAOog781LVicO8ISJvOeniMxxICr6dT-2D2FZ8AkcvZzf61qx7RKQCmFSquIGMBcv2M0S7ChrBLf0R5C4A9REsKqs-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=6VuGwCjzSXJwl-BCTtJjYZwRoOzMx15aMdYe6SjDWVQ&e=> > ) - > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.pluralsight.com_courses_houdini-2Dpractical-2Dmath-2Dtips&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=sZuz9PC7Zz34osI4agioW68DdBGNyPhyc-yEP0sBeNA&s=ilv-_yn7mw_yFfv6L6FYF_v3wzEg7WU32J8AwoE-0ig&e= > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2Mtqzzv1mWEUkVJoyJm6R8MtWg3RrjTRRVc6bePv-2BIiN-2BTplgws2HEv9jm-2BOqQ-2FQOkqy3D4IDFbtEvLZZBeAy9vGhs-2F8ngBthl3WljfZIELzSvWKg8mRuJvVY9tzKddQzu1X-2FN3J4YWDqIsAIPGMZhfQ-2BzEsgZ3sxgGhTYdD4PHxjgMvm6fKqmWAJoE1rev1G7wCFnp-2BjznueFHGC3yMlyh2-2FUs842qY-2BRTwvvsImtdtZV7AyG87-2BaB-2FggDAig2SZvyHIaHIjyCZMH5UqRqFGeQZ4TWcnf4N0choDRsG69eByGtUWGSp-2Fvz7j99rCBxw4yfXHGFOsNIHzUrMSXo6PCsA23X48EfwmaqYhMh25Vmj6arw-3D_-2BtVAaJM6-2Fj13TYl4Nc9UQgzbnVdLVqocIhreA-2Bt331nluqTyVArMZIhoUfATDA3AMLJ7Pu9Af4BfipHJkRJBCMR2c26q4xchYHdaPkUep6KgvJw7sVLMaa7n9yPV9H9Bj5DmYWSSD0jk884HSNcGkEDCE-2BA7I8W8s325uyqYRKBITi2D8wXrpmHPEIvK6fMcO6kpkDYtvVSd-2FfY9HMIrxYIvNBEthEuDD8L0jjW3rRM-3D> > -. Even if you already have a good handle on pertinent math subjects from > working with ICE, this course is great for learning how to apply that > knowledge in Houdini. And a refresher on pertinent vector, trig and algebra > is never a bad thing. :) > > > > On 8 May 2018 at 10:35, Jordi Bares <jordiba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On 8 May 2018, at 08:34, Matt Morris <matt...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'd certainly be down for that too :) >> >> Hacked my way through Houdini for a volume job recently and while there's >> a wealth of information out there its sometimes difficult to know the >> optimal way to achieve something, and find up to date solutions for the mat >> context instead of shops for example. Ended up back in xsi for some >> particle behaviours as there are so many compounds I miss for randomization >> etc. >> >> >> "Optimal way" is an elusive thing.. I keep learning new approaches for >> things I learned and now are kind of lame… (for example the constant adding >> colours to apply effects and then rename them or worse, remove the color >> afterwards… I do it now via attributes and visualisers and it is a lot more >> elegant) >> >> And yes, I am not using SHOPs anymore (unless I am using Arnold)… MATs is >> the way forward and quite exciting when you realise what is in front of you. >> >> Anyway, it is something of an ever evolving task… >> >> Jb >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8 May 2018 at 08:25, Morten Bartholdy <x...@colorshopvfx.dk> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Jordi. Well, like I said – I will have to dive in to Houdini at >>> some point I guess :) >>> >>> I would love a Soft2Houdini crash course :) >>> >>> MB >>> >>> Den 4. maj 2018 klokken 20:22 skrev Jordi Bares <jordiba...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> For the sake of sharing my experiences… >>> >>> On 4 May 2018, at 14:24, Morten Bartholdy <x...@colorshopvfx.dk> wrote: >>> >>> Pardon me for intruding, but I have to agree with Jonathan here. >>> >>> It used to be that developers worked to make better tools and make them >>> more accessible to the average artist (and I am not talking about Kais >>> Powertools ;), but that path seems to have been abandoned in the pursuit of >>> better and more advanced tools, and letting it up to the users to get a >>> degree in rocket science to be able to wield said tools at all >>> >>> Tools are getting easier (just look at the new hair system in 16.5 vs >>> 16.0 or the new MAT context in order to blend BRDFs properly), complex >>> things are simply complex (DOPs for example) and you can’t simplify certain >>> things without loosing the whole point or it will take a lot to get there >>> (for example custom controls with DOPs records and others) >>> >>> Houdini is probably the best example of this. I know a lot of effort has >>> gone in to making it more accessible, but to my knowledge it still requires >>> a fair amount of insight into expression syntax and scripting plus more >>> than basic math end vector knowhow to get even simple things done. >>> >>> The fact you can add expressions in your fields (something you can’t do >>> in softimage) means you don’t need to script as much… so arguably you can >>> choose between learning simple expressions or learning to program. >>> >>> Both require a certain level of simple maths involving trigonometry, >>> vectors and matrices. >>> >>> I understand your position (stated in earlier threads) that the >>> increased demands on production requires more complex solutions/tools, >>> >>> I would say sophisticated rather than complex… for example packed >>> primitives allow you to do things that are truly mind-bending in >>> combination with Material Style Sheets, but that does not mean they are >>> difficult of full of moving parts. >>> >>> but I don't buy the premise that it also has(!) to become more difficult >>> to use. >>> >>> I don’t think that either.. a good example of sophisticated tools in >>> Houdini 16 and 16.5 that are a pleasure to work are the new terrain tools… >>> but it is also true that unfortunately some problems are complex no matter >>> what. >>> >>> Good UI devs could alleviate that and make even really complex stuff >>> accessible to the least technical artist in the room if ressources were >>> made available, ie the management and dev team leads concur it would be a >>> good idea. I am going out on a limb and guessing it might often come down >>> to this – spend ressources on making the tool more accessible or spend them >>> on making more and better tools… In reality I think in all fairness they >>> try and balance it while keeping a keen eye on their userbase and potential >>> for increasing it. >>> >>> With the UI and UX there is a major point Jeff Wagner explained to me >>> long time ago… Houdini is non-linear (branches splitting and mixing again) >>> so many things there can be easily put on a linear system (like Softimage) >>> are not possible in Houdini and therefore we have to accept certain >>> limitations. Exactly the same than ICE, you don’t have many tools making >>> your live eraser in terms of workflow inside ICE, you need to know what you >>> are doing. >>> >>> But it is true also that Softimage vision of ICE is a lot neater, easier >>> and element in terms of packaging functionality in ICE… A LOT BETTER IN >>> FACT. >>> >>> What remains is that people like me find Houdini way too technical for >>> practical use (the steep learning curve) and as such I have not delved into >>> it for real yet. >>> >>> May be that is what makes you feel it is complex… >>> >>> I will for sure, because I think it is probably the only major 3D DCC >>> which is really evolving and making groundbreaking tools available to the >>> users, so it will very likely inherit the world, but for me, and probably >>> many others, as Jonathan probably indicates, it would do so much faster if >>> it was made even easier to use :) >>> >>> Agreed, there are many things that should be a lot easier because you do >>> them all the time (like path deform for example, or layering animation, or >>> having a shape manager and others) but don’t be mistaken, it is not >>> difficult at all until you need to dive in certain areas. >>> >>> And that would mean I would get to spend less time in Maya which >>> honestly makes me short of breath to the point of needing to vomit, almost >>> every day. >>> >>> Well, then I can guarantee you you will age slower. ;-) >>> >>> Peace and have a great weekend. jb >>> >>> PS. I am thinking… would it be of interest for you guys if I talk to >>> SideFX to organise a crash course in Houdini for Softimage users? May be >>> replicating one of the old XSI tutorials live in Houdini??? I still love >>> those tutorials… remember the carnivore plant? >>> >>> Just my two kr (the coin we use here) >>> >>> Have a nice weekend all – Morten >>> >>> Den 3. maj 2018 klokken 19:17 skrev Jordi Bares <jordiba...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> And by my judgement, Houdini is no closer to being a generalist >>> replacement for Softimage. >>> >>> This is what I would love to understand if you don’t mind… >>> >>> jb >>> >>> ------ Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mail to >>> softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with “unsubscribe” in the >>> subject, and reply to confirm. >>> >>> ------ Softimage Mailing List. 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