If I'm not mistaken (And that happens more and more lately) the "Zone by Floor" is an alarm requirement, and could in theory be met by the smoke detectors. The balcony issue is unique, since they don't require smoke detectors on the balcony. But since detection in multi-story buildings is to help the FD identify the source of the alarm/fire, I would think that a balcony, visible from the exterior would not compromise this.
Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: 13r balconies Tony, I only do a calc to prove the # of heads on the balcony and do not pick up any heads inside the unit. I use 200F QR sprinklers and if I cannot use dry type then I run a small A/F system to supply the heads. This way I can keep the pipe CPVC and not worry about a pitch issue. If the AHJ has a problem with multiple floors / balconies being on one zone then the best option I see is to use the dry try sprinklers fed from each floor and have a bulk head created if necessary. Dewayne -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A.P.Silva Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: 13r balconies I just finished a design with balcony heads for a 13 residential building. My approach was, I considered the balcony as a normal room. So I designed the balcony head and three additional residential heads from the living room, which was the communicating space. So four sprinklers in total. Running piping to a dry sidewall from the suite side is generally a problem, as the floor levels are different and the architects don't want to provide bulkheads or soffits. For a few projects now I have designed a dry pipe system for the balcony heads. Usually there is a corner fireplace at the exterior wall. Run a vertical pipe behind the fireplace and supply the head in the balcony. Horizontal piping run in the basement parkade. The only problem is zoning, as the building code requires each floor zoned separate. My opinion is having a single zone (or several depending on floor area) for the balconies can't really hurt. Anyway, up to now, no objections. Then again, it could be that no one checks my designs that close. Has anyone else designed this way? Tony -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - FPDC Sent: June 12, 2008 3:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 13r balconies I think it would be a one head calc (assuming only one head per balcony and they are not contiguous), but it is 5 AM and no coffee yet. At 09:29 PM 6/11/2008, you wrote: >One more.... HAve we discussed to calcs required for the sidewalls on >balconies that the IBC requires? > >On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:13:50 -0400 "Greg McGahan" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >>I need a quick opinion from some 13R experts. >>13r condo with the first floor divided in half front to back and then >>the front half is divided into 4 parking areas seperated by fire >>walls. The front wall is completely open and each garage serves 2 units. >>6.8.2.2 states that each compartment can nothave openings greater >>than 50 sq.ft. I am interpreting this to mean openings into adjacent >>compartments not to the atmosphere and therefore a 4 head calc would >>be appropriate using dry heads flowing in accordance with NFPA 13R. >>Thoughts please... >>Greg McGahan >>_______________________________________________ >>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>To Unsubscribe, send an email >>to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut www.fpdc.com 860.535.2080 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
