Don't forget this one.....(Emphasis in CAPS) 2009 IBC (Page 283-284)
1406.3 Balconies and similar projections. Balconies and similar projections of COMBUSTIBLE CONSTRUCTION other than fire-retardant-treated wood SHALL BE FIRE-RESISTANCE RATED in accordance with Table 601 for floor construction or shall be of Type IV construction in accordance with Section 602.4. The aggregate length shall not exceed 50 percent of the buildings perimeter on each floor. Exceptions: 1. On buildings of Type I and II construction, three stories or less above grade plane, fire-retardant-treated wood shall be permitted for balconies, porches, decks and exterior stairways not used as required exits. 2. Untreated wood is permitted for pickets and rails or similar guardrail devices that are limited to 42 inches (1067 mm) in height. 3. Balconies and similar projections on buildings of TYPE III, IV AND V CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE PERMITTED TO BE OF TYPE V CONSTRUCTION, and shall not be required to have a fire-resistance rating WHERE SPRINKLER PROTECTION IS EXTENDED TO THESE AREAS. 4. Where sprinkler protection is extended to the balcony areas, the aggregate length of the balcony on each floor shall not be limited. Hope that helps John Drucker, CET Fire Protection Subcode Official Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector Fire Marshals Office Borough of Red Bank, NJ Not the official position of any agency, association, committee or otherwise. Obtain required applications, permits, inspections and approvals from Authority(s) Having Jurisdiction. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies This state code applies only to 13R systems -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies Patio then? Remember when 13D allowed omission of sprinklers in foyers? Out this way the foyer is inside the front door and synonymous with entry. It's pretty much a part of the living room with a more durable floor. When you enter my house there is the foyer open to the upstairs with an open stairway leading to a balcony that partially overhangs the coat shedding area and then opens directly to the living room. I suspect it had a different meaning elsewhere in the country so that such an exclusion made sense. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:11 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Typically a deck is a wooden structure. A terrace is concrete, brick > or stone directly on the ground. > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies > > Drucker will probably have better answers but: > > When you say roof above do you mean deck above? If the latter (and > this would apply to roof also) I've successfully argued against in > that there's no way to collect heat and so no purpose and > unsuccessfully argued being countered with burning siding and the head > being eventually opened by direct impingement. > > What distinguishes a terrace from a deck? Is this real estate speak? > > You're protecting the siding and the deck structure above by > minimizing the intensity of fire below. I believe the purpose is to > minimize the threat from barbecues and deck furniture and a fire > becoming intense enough to breach the exterior and enter the structure, particularly the floor cavity. > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Joel Chaim > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > I'm trying to get clarification already for a while regarding > > sprinklers > on > > exterior decks, balconies & ground floor patios my questions are as > > follows: > > > > > > > > > > . Ground floor patios without a roof on top of it, where do I > place > > the sprinkler head? > > > > . Are terraces required to have a sprinkler head? > > > > . What is the purpose of installing a sprinkler head below the > > decks > > if I want to protect the deck area? > > > > > > > > I tried contacting New York state DOB and I never got a straight > > answer, > I > > looked up the IBC in different states and they added the words > > "provided there is a roof above the deck" looks to me that there is > > some typographical error error in this section > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SECTION OF FIRE CODE OF NYS CODE: > > > > > > > > FCNYS 903.3.1.2.1 Balconies and decks. Sprinkler protection shall > > be provided for exterior balconies, decks and ground floor patios of > dwelling > > units where the building is of Type V construction. Sidewall > > sprinklers that are used to protect such areas shall be permitted to > > be located such that their deflectors are within 1 inch (25 mm) to 6 > > inches (152 mm) below the structural members and a maximum distance > > of 14 inches (356 mm) below the deck of the exterior balconies and > > decks that are constructed of open > wood > > joist construction. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > > [email protected] > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College > 1101 So. 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