Maybe a distinction between "A" main drain and "THE" main drain. Or even just "THE" main drain test--singular. Remember that we're talking about draining in 13 and not testing. That's in 25. Maybe we're seeing different definitions for the same term in the different standards. There would be a lot more definitions in these books (both words AND phrases) if I were editor-in-king.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Morey, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > From NFPA 25 2011: > 3.3.7.2 Sectional Drain. A drain lo cated beyond a sectional control valve > that drains only a portion of the system (e.g., a drain located beyond a > floor control valve on a multistory building). > > Interestingly there is a conflicting entry in NFPA 13 2010 that probably > should be addressed if this is the way we're going (not requiring full flow > main drain tests @ floor controls): > 8.17.3.1 A pressure gauge with a connection not smaller than 1/4 in. (6 > mm) shall be installed at the system main drain, at each main drain > associated with a floor control valve, and on the inlet and outlet side of > each pressure-reducing valve. > > > Mike Morey, SET, CFPS > Sprinkler Designer > BMW Constructors, Inc. > O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 > www.bmwc.com > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] on behalf of > [email protected] > Sent: Thu 4/12/2012 7:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: main drain test > > > > > > Isn't the zone control connection off a standpipe riser supplying a > complete "sprinkler system" and the drain a "MAIN DRAIN"? > > > > David Bohannon > > Fire Sprinkler Plan Review City of Atlanta > > Department of Planning and Community Development > > Office of Buildings > > 55 Trinity Avenue > > Suite 3900 > > Atlanta, GA 30303 > > e-mail: [email protected] > > phone: 404-330-6193 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron Greenman" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:43:08 PM > Subject: Re: main drain test > > Onward~!!!!! > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks for letting the State Fire Marshal host classes at your school. I > > loved what I saw in your space. System risers, designers working hard > and > > lots of hands on experience. > > > > We have recieved many positive emails about the classes we taught there > > over spring break. Your hospitality was very much appreciated, dude. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Cecil Bilbo > > Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology > > Champaign, IL > > 217.607.0325 > > www.sprinkleracademy.com > > [email protected] > > > > OUR STUDENTS SAVE LIVES!! > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:35:36 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: main drain test > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > A week with you and.... > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yo, Ron said DUDE!!! Outstanding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cecil Bilbo > > > > Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology > > > > Champaign, IL > > > > 217.607.0325 > > > > www.sprinkleracademy.com > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > OUR STUDENTS SAVE LIVES!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:55:25 -0700 > > > > > Subject: Re: main drain test > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > I had to send it to your house because your overlords don't allow > > > > > attachments, but not the construction of all the valves on the > > cut-sheet > > > > > where the stem meets the gate is exactly the same so if it can > > happen to > > > > > one it can happen to any. And at the same frequency. Hard data > would > > be > > > > > several I've yanked. The one that I recall best was to Ackerley's > > paint > > > > > storage room. You gotta go out and get your hands dirty > occasionally > > > > dude. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Roland Huggins > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I am under the dellusion that it was an issue for NRS but nit > > OS&Y. You > > > > > > have any hard data to edumacate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ron Greenman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> OS&Ys regularly "drop." Not often but often enough. 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