Actually, 14 requires a control valve in addition to the check.  See
6.3.5.1.

Steve Leyton




-----Original Message-----
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Mike
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Floor control valve

I assume they're ditching the current requirements that "suggest" the
floor control but don't require it, right now the only drivers are a
check valve if you're under 14 with a combined system and the IFC
requires floor controls in buildings covered by the "high rise"
requirements.  Otherwise you need only provide an easily disconnectable
flange/flange assembly for floor areas over 5000 sq ft under the current
13 requirements if memory serves.
 
Mike Morey, SET, CFPS
Sprinkler Designer
BMW Constructors, Inc.
O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111
www.bmwc.com

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Sent: Thu 4/12/2012 11:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Floor control valve



So each floor will have a separate riser instead of using a combined
standpipe riser?

Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension  74102
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Floor control valve

The floor control valve for all intents and purposes is going the way of
the dodo bird. Starting with the next edition, each floor for building 3
stories and above must be set-up as an individual system.  
It's also amusing if you follow the current criteria trail, there is
nothing that dictates the floor assembly displayed in A.8.17.4.2(b) is
currently required (even on a high-rise)!!!

Roland


On Apr 12, 2012, at 5:08 AM, Morey, Mike wrote:

> From NFPA 25 2011:
> 3.3.7.2 Sectional Drain. A drain lo cated beyond a sectional control 
> valve that drains only a portion of the system (e.g., a drain located 
> beyond a floor control valve on a multistory building).
>
> Interestingly there is a conflicting entry in NFPA 13 2010 that 
> probably should be addressed if this is the way we're going (not 
> requiring full flow main drain tests @ floor controls):
> 8.17.3.1 A pressure gauge with a connection not smaller than 1/4 in. 
> (6 mm) shall be installed at the system main drain, at each main drain

> associated with a floor control valve, and on the inlet and outlet 
> side of each pressure-reducing valve.
>
>
> Mike Morey, SET, CFPS
> Sprinkler Designer

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