Paul, We are already installing Ecostoves powered by rocket stoves into middle class homes, as pictured (http://www.ecofogao.com.br/index.php?id=29), and we hope one day TLUD will be able to enter this same market. We are waiting for the technology to mature a bit more, to introduce Ecostoves powered by TLUD for middle class, who can pay easily US$ 200+ for such stove.
Paul Anderson was here in 2004 trying to develop a combined stove TLUD and Rocket stove, but at that time it was not practical to use it yet. Rogério 2013/5/26 Paul Olivier <[email protected]> > Design stoves that are functional, safe and efficient. And don't forget, > to design stoves that can be situated in modern kitchens. Getting rich > people in developed countries to use biomass stoves should be one of our > big priorities. I think that many of us grossly underestimate the power of > the tlud concept. Imagine a small tlud less than 10 inches in height; made > of high quality, long-lasting stainless steel; holding no more than about > three or four cups of wood or straw pellets; capable of putting out 2 to 3 > kW of heat over enough time to cook an average meal; elegantly contoured to > match in beauty high-end kitchen accessories. Such a stove need not cost > more than $50 US to fabricate. It would produce a beautiful blue flame that > would rival that of a bottled gas stove. It would produce a valuable > biochar for farms and gardens. It would be proudly used in London or Laos, > Boston or Bangladesh. It would appeal to rich and poor alike. > > Of course we can build cheap, tin can stoves. But why should we expect > poor people to use them, while we would never dream of doing so, except, > perhaps, on an occasional camping trip? > > Paul Olivier > > > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:12 PM, mtrevor <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ** >> I concur with Dr Tluds points and think in particular Dr Belonio, Dr. >> Nurhuda and Paul Oliver all seem to have stoves that could easily be poised >> to go commercial big time. They seem to work beautifully, are >> physically good looking and are close to good fuel sources. In addition they >> are located in places where industrial and mechanical means of manufature >> exist. >> Not all of the rest of the world is so fortunate. While these stoves are >> relatively economical obtaining them is another issue. While a stove could >> be worth $25.00 $50.00 or even maybe $100.00 having to pay $200.00 $300 >> or $400.00 to obtain a sample for testing is beyond practicality. No matter >> what efforts are expended tincanium and hammered tin has little appeal >> here. In these day of ipads and iphones style is a major hurdle. >> >> Lurking in the backgound at the end of the earth. >> >> Michael N Trevor >> Marshall Islands >> >> . >> >> >> *From:* Paul Anderson <[email protected]> >> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<[email protected]> >> *Cc:* Otto Formo <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:28 PM >> *Subject:* [Stoves] Specifics about advancement of TLUD stoves Re: fan >> expertise? >> >> Dear all, This is a different and more specific reply to Otto's message. >> >> I see four things that will greatly advance the position of >> micro-gasifier stoves, specifically the TLUD stoves. I am working on all >> four of them. >> >> 1. Prove that stove users will accept TLUD gasifier stoves (at >> reasonable price, but this is not about price.) and (with a reasonable >> supply chain for appropriate fuels, but this is not about fuels) : >> >> We lack meaningful studies that show that TLUD stoves (when available and >> with fuels available) are accepted by "typical" cookstove users in any >> significant segment of the population. We need some documentation that xx >> number of TLUD users (out of yy number of households that seriously tried >> TLUD stoves) are still using the stoves zz percent of the time for their >> cooking, and this is over time periods that are checked again and again >> each few months. Comments from users should be reported. >> >> Start small, and do it well. The money for the bigger studies will >> follow success with the small numbers. This is NOT about sales. This >> is about sustained usage. >> >> We are working on this topic at Awamu in Uganda with the Quad TLUD stove, >> but no results to report at this time. Is anyone else doing such studies? >> >> 2. Compilation of past results and further data collection about >> emissions and efficiencies of TLUD stoves. Some TLUD have had major >> success. And others "suck". Which ones and why? We seek data from the >> stove testing centers. We also will do further work at Stove Camps in the >> coming 3 months. >> >> 3. Prove the capacities to produce sufficient numbers of TLUD stoves >> with excellent functioning. The response must be credible for numbers of >> many 10s of thousands for stoves per year. 20 tinsmiths seated in a >> factory is not sufficient proof. Prof. Nurhuda has shown that metal >> stamping can produce his TLUD stoves with good quality. I do not doubt >> that capacity worldwide could be sufficient when demand is there, but with >> the goal of creating in-country jobs, for most situations "proof" is still >> not in hand. >> >> 4. Bring the price below US$10 for the low-end products that are still >> functional about emissions and efficiencies. I am working on this and I >> hope to report about it at the July stove camp at Aprovecho where TLUD >> stoves are a focal issue. >> >> Note that I did NOT add on having different TLUD stoves such as the ones >> with fans like Ron is discussing. When they become available, that will >> be wonderful. But then such stoves will still need to be considered >> regarding # 1 and #2 and #3 above. They might be the breakthrough for >> gaining acceptance, or lower emissions, or whatever. >> >> Paul >> >> Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD" >> Email: [email protected] Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 >> Website: www.drtlud.com >> >> On 5/26/2013 2:46 AM, Otto Formo wrote: >> >> Ron >> >> I do not see any point in arguing with all and anybody, to try to >> convince them , that *gasifing of biomass *are here to BE and will >> develop more rapidly, than anyone ever belived. >> >> What about the issue of biomass as fuel? >> Here are a LOT of challanges in preparation, production, handeling etc. >> >> Paul A and Ron, >> If, "Open Source", realy means something to you, then create a group of >> "belivers" and start from there. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Otto >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Stoves mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6358 - Release Date: 05/25/13 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Stoves mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> >> > > > -- > Paul A. Olivier PhD > 26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong > Dalat > Vietnam > > Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) > Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in Vietnam) > Skype address: Xpolivier > http://www.esrla.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > > >
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