Mr. Sanborn, I think you are quite right to defend your point of view, I for one believe in free speech, and call for proof. losing jobs is never any one's fault, no matter why! AND IF WE HAVE TO, attacking nations, or killing soldiers, we should do it -if they didn't expect to die why did they put on a uniform . If Sadamm had been a benevolent despot and made his deals with the US he'd still be here; Its our right to call the shots and decide who lives and who dies, me , bechtel and bin Laden, a father of 56. There is always one rotten one in the barrel. They started it.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 28, 2004 1:59 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 I'm curious as to what FoxNews has to do wtih anything. It seems to me that your implying that I am dangerously republican, unfortunately, you couldn't be more wrong. I don't emphatecally support Bush, and I don't punch the republican hole on the ballot without knowing who I'm voting for. I am actually an independent and I tend to vote for people who are quite moderate. I think Bush did make a number of mistakes and I would like nothing more than to see Edwards become President. So I have no neo-conservative bias. My problem is that Moore doesn't make good arguements. Moore shows pictures and tells stories but concludes very little. He implies many things and leaves it to the audience to decide. He doesn't leave many options to pick from, but at least they buy into his theories without him blatantly spitting out falsities. In his documentary about how bad GM is for closing the Flint plant, he shows evictions and people getting kicked out onto the street. It's no result of the GM closing, the person didn't work for GM but it made a good picture for his point. In Bowling for Columbine he references a little 6 year old who got hold of a gun and killed someone or maybe even himself. It was evidence though of how guns should be out of every home. Irregardless of the fact that the gun probably would have been illegally in the crack house where the kid lived and was abused. Its good upstanding households like that that are good and accurate reference material. His references to the Bush families connections to Osama are out of place a well. The connections to the Bin Laden family are quite public. The Bin Ladens have tons of connections in America, they're rich, so are the Bush's, guess what, the rich get rich and stay rich by making connections with other people that are rich. I don't think the Bush family planned terrorist attacks to use as reasons for war and then exploit them for money. I think there is something curious about the war in Iraq, but I also think Saddam should have been taken out in the Gulf War. Of course there is the best part with the mother weeping for her son. Thats footage that needs to be shown. Of course it should always be followed by a bunch of American's killing all those civillians. This is of course irregardless of the fact that almost 70% of Iraqi's are happy that Saddam is now out of power and that the casualty rate for US troops is really quite low for such a large scale head on assault. The Coalition has lost about 1000 troops in Iraq, as opposed to the 58,000 who died in Vietnam. I'd say there is a significant improvement. But, we couldn't mention that there. We also strategically ignore the precision capabilities of the weapons used as well. A large number of civilians died in Iraq during the war and occupation. I'm wiling to bet that a very large portion of those deaths were not inflicted by Americans though. The car bombs, etc tend to take more Iraqis than Americans. So all in all Moore does a real fine job of showing a twisted side of reality. The movie was a twist of truth, and I don't think he even tries to show his point. Rather he shows what he thinks will sway people against Bush. Whether you like Bush or not, this is not an accurate portrayal of anything other than Michael Moore's hatred for George W. Bush. Randall Sanborn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
