Perhaps my post # 36427 can shed some light of it. :) L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Randall, > > > I'm also from Michigan, doesn't mean I blindly accept the opinion of > everyone who speaks here. > > That goes "ditto" for me as well, especially when folks such as yourself > point an entire list to spin sights dedicated solely to fragging those who > present factual informatioin or reasonably supported perspectives contrary > to the conservative party line. > > I was appreciably amused with the pro-Bill Oh-Really? bits found at one of > your "sources." Forget Oh-Really's snotty mouth and bad manners. That sight > conjours up distortions for every deceipt that he's practiced on the public > for decades. And sadly, as long as he's got people similar to yourself > defending him he'll never have to speak truthfully. Must be nice. Doubtful > that you're getting paid for your efforts either..... What a sham....I mean > shame. > > Again, thanks for the chuckles. I have this sneakin' suspicion that you have > a few more of these gems up your sleeve just itchin' to slip out. > > Oh....one other thing. Relative to your poker skills, or in this case your > lack thereof, there's this little beaut... > > > A large number of civilians > > died in Iraq during the war and occupation. I'm willing to bet that a > > very large portion of those deaths were not inflicted by Americans > > though. > > Me thinks that you might want to get a grip on the numbers before you > initiate your practices of dispersion, much less start laying money down on > your peculiar beliefs. Ten to twelve thousand civilian deaths during the > initial weeks of the invasion.... If the bombs hadn't dropped they wouldn't > be dead, now would they? Those were American/Coalition bombs, now weren't > they? And they were dropped because America's favourite antagonist decided > to show everyone his full depth and breadth of ineptitude. But it's their > fault that they're dead, huh? > > So how about quantifying what you call "a very large portion?" Go ahead, > take your time. But when you're finished, I'll give you 10:1 odds that > you're completely in error. But hell, it's your money - bet what you want. > > Seems to me that you've got a sad knack of placing responsibility in places > where it doesn't belong. Doesn't speak well for your powers of discernment. > > Todd Swearingen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:20 PM > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 > > > > I'm also from Michigan, doesn't mean I blindly accept the opinion of > everyone who speaks here. The facts are true. Michael Moore is meticulous in > making sure he doesn't say anything that is explicitly false. Instead, he > uses cheap camera tricks and clever sequences to give a very clear picture > of what he is trying to say without ever actually implicating himself. > > Just a few examples from Bowling from Columbine because its been > thoroughly analyzed numerous times. > > Firstly, the gun from the bank. > > > > http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/bank.htm > > > > He edits the seen to make it appear like he walked in wrote his name down > and got a gun. This is supposed to show how easy it is to get a gun. This is > a horrible example because the same process is used here as any gun shop > would use. He neglects to show the fact that the clerk then took his ID and > ran it through I believe its an FBI? database. But it certainly looks like > America is handing out guns to anyone. If I remember correctly from read the > process actually took closer to an hour and a half. Weak example yes, but > none-the-less if shown honestly it would do nothing to promote Moore's > arguement that any old fool can get a gun in the way he described. The > requirements for getting that gun from the bank were just as stringent as > getting it from any other registered gun shop. If he wants to analyze that, > then fine, I support it. Maybe it is too easy to get a gun, I'm not here to > offer an opinion on it, but the bank scene is only an example of the same > process that would happen in any other legal weapon transaction. > > I think the NRA bashes are more incriminating of Moore's deceptive style. > He spends quite a while dehumanizing the NRA and especially Mr. Heston. I > had a very good friend see this movie and tell me Heston and the NRA were a > bunch of jerks for jumping up to hold rallies right after the killings in > Flint and Columbine. I must say, the 'evidence' in the movie was compelling. > But some other people slowed down the feeds and picked through the internet. > The 'rally' in Flint wasn't actually a Rally, Heston showed up to support > Bush on his campaign, and it was 7 months after the incident. The movie > shows a headline that says, "48 hours after Kayla Rolland is pronounced > dead" either right before or right after the Heston clip. It insinuates the > meeting was 48 hours after, and there is no way its not intentional. But the > headline continues on to say something about Clinton making a statement > about the incident and is completely unrelated to the NRA. > > http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/hestonrally 2.htm > > He also uses the NRA meeting in Colorado right after the Columbine > shootings as further ammo against the NRA. The video clips he shows of > Heston are actually from another rally, and he fails to mention that the NRA > cancelled most all of its other activities aside from the vote that by law > is mandatory. I believe its a non-profit law to vote officials or something > else similar. Irregardless the NRA had to have its meeting, which it did, > but the NRA did nothing like what Moore shows. Frankly, I don't know what > the whole NRA bash accomplished for his argument, but his entire basis > against the NRA is made up. It looks more like he has a vendetta against the > NRA and wants to publish it. > > So, quite frankly, I don't trust the guy, or most of what he says. He has > been explicitly decpetive in BFC. He has something compelling with the Iraq > war, but just like most of the media, its entirely one-sided. And his theory > on the Saudi connection and the plot with the Bushes to intentionally start > a war is pretty weak. Its more an assertion using almost nothing. I think > his smoking gun is a connection in the Carlyle group, which is a large > investing firm. I don't know about you guys, but I don't know the other > stockholders of the companies I invest in, much less socialize and plot to > take over the world with them. I'm really anxious to see what little camera > tricks he threw into this one when it comes out on DVD. > > Randall Sanborn > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > Look pal, speaking as one of Mike's Michigan homeboys, you and I are > > gonna throw down. When Mike says, "The facts are true, the opinions are > > mine," he means it. If you have a mental disorder that distorts your > > analytical skills to the point where you can't tell fact from opinion, > > then you really should only read Mike's books or watch his films under > > the supervision of a trained mental health specialist. Until you're > > ready to seek mental health services, I suggest you go back to your > > flock of ostriches and stick your head back in the sands of the > > mainstream media informational wasteland. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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