On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 12:07, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
What I meant: we put address tags on objects (e.g. shops, restaurants, > museums, cinemas, etc.) > I put addresses on private houses too. I think you probably covered them with your "etc." but I thought I'd make it clear. and this is usually (in my area) the address that the feature uses (can > also be something like housenumber 3-5 or 39;41;43, is often just a single > number although you could reach the feature sometimes through multiple > numbers). > > I have a couple of cases something like that. They are rare exceptions. A terrace of houses with a communal entrance - I don't know how the building is divided, so 1-12 on the whole building. A large building with 41 dwellings on three levels, several entrances but without a closer survey I don't know which entrance leads where, so 1-41 on the whole building. In that, very exceptional case, it might be useful to put addresses on entrances (except it's possible all entrances interconnect via corridors). I have no problem with exceptional tagging to handle exceptional circumstances but I find it perverse to use exceptional tagging in the general case just so that tagging is uniform. Map is still not complete, but while some houses do have housenumbers, > others only have entrances with letters (those with internal access) and > housenumbers on the gates that lead into the block. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/365208412#map=18/41.86367/12.48903 > > So somebody who lives in a house with a number on the gate but not on the house itself never gives his house address? Claims his house does not have a number? Cannot insure his house because he cannot give a number for it? If the police go there to arrest him they have to wait at the gate? When I moved to my current house, it was a new build and I was the first tenant. None of the 8 houses on the development had numbers on them: the landlord had not fitted numbers and it was up to the tenants to do so. Some of my neighbours didn't have a number on their house for 5 years. There was no sign at the start of the cul-de-sac saying what house numbers were there, or even the name of the development. I didn't start mapping until years all of my neighbours finally put numbers on their houses, and yet those houses had addresses all that time even if they didn't display them and, had I been mapping back then, I'd have put addresses on the buildings. On the theory of "put the address where the label is, not where the building is" I'd have been unable to put any address anywhere because there were no numbers displayed anywhere. Even if there had been a sign at the entrance to the cul-de-sac saying what numbers it led to, it would have been unhelpful to map the addresses as being where that sign was. Consider towns (and even villages and hamlets). In the UK, most of them have signs on the most important roads to and/or through them at the outskirts. "Welcome to Foo" or "You are now entering Bar" (or, for hamlets, just "Fubar") or whatever. We have had many disputes on how to place a node for a locality (centroid, cultural centre, business centre, etc.) but it would be downright perverse to place a locality node at every sign on the outskirts of the locality. Yet this is what some suggest is the correct thing to do for houses/buildings. The sign is not the thing, and the position of the sign is not the position of the thing. We understand that principle for road junctions and their associated signage... Take this example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.08513&mlon=-4.65456#map=19/52.08513/-4.65456 It is the remnant of an old farm, the farmhouse and some farm buildings, where most of the original farmland was sold for the expansion of the town. Here is the start of its driveway: https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.08455&mlon=-4.65717#map=19/52.08455/-4.65717 The housename is shown at the entrance to the drive (it may or may not also be on the house itself). Putting the address on the house itself allows it to be distinguished from the other buildings and the route to it can be determined by inspection (on the map or on the ground). Putting the address at the start of the driveway doesn't tell you which of the buildings is the house. Putting the address on both is confusing. Yes, there are always going to be exceptions. They should be handled in exceptional ways. We shouldn't be handling the non-exceptional things in exceptional ways in order to be consistent with the way we handle the exceptional things. -- Paul
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