But your designers can handle EL when they need to? And I never say any problems with WYSIWYG tools like Dreamweaver... and design teams I worked with used it... maybe we do simpler things, but it worked...
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 17:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello- > > Forgive my comments as they are not technical. Just observations I have made on a >few projects over the past couple months. > > Since there are very few java programmers who are designers, and vice versa - there >must be a comfortable zone where designers/developers can integrate their works >without battles. I have found that there is little place for a WYSIWYG design team >outside of prototyping, this becomes even more evident as applications evolve. In a >recent project we migrated JSP 1.1 code and old ratty HTML code to jsp1.2/struts, >with XHTML and CSS-P on the client side. I have found that having good designers >that write good XHTML code and use CSS have the foundation to understand the MVC >approach - After all they are doing the same thing with the style and layout that >java developers try to do with the model, view and controller. > > All the java developers I work with understand the view layer, and all the designers >understand how the model and controller fits into their design. I think XHTML helps >out a lot. And I have seen it. I sit on both sides of the fence; I do some view >design but mostly backend. Some days I am in Jdeveloper some days I am in >dreamweaver validating XHTML pages. I have a lot of people like me on my team and it >just works. > > If you are stuck with crummy designers that don't get the backend at all, giving >them a set of tags to use won't help the situation. Educating them will. If they >don't want to learn, send them back to the marketing department to work on the new >web designers business cards. Just because their designers doesn't mean they >shouldn't understand the backend, and vice versa. > > Sorry for the long message. > > -chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lyndon Durham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:55 PM > To: Tag Libraries Users List > Subject: Non Java Developers, programmers using JSTL and taglibs > > Greetings, > As a software developer I would like to delegate some of > the more mundane and simpler development tasks to non developers, > programmers etc. The JSTL specification document claims that the jstl > was created to facilitate or ease development for web designers and non > java programmers. It is my experience that jstl and other taglibs like > jakarta standard taglibs are still rather convulted for the likes of > wyswig web designers and other non java programmers. What is the point > of developing applications that make succint use of jstl if as the > developer I still have to spend myraid hours explaining how to use tags > to the less initated or persons who are not programmers or developers. > All comments are appreciated or anyone whose had a better experience > delgating developing using taglibs. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Felipe Schnack Analista de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cel.: (51)91287530 Linux Counter #281893 Centro Universit�rio Ritter dos Reis http://www.ritterdosreis.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fone/Fax.: (51)32303341 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
